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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #795 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 10:08am mothra wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:44am: Also Honky ... try being raped ... and surviving it. And going on to live a full and productive life. Don't come at me about women not being as tough as men. Why would I want to try being raped?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135775 Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #796 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 11:01am mothra wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 12:37am: ... wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:51pm: http://championfh.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/WW1Page1.jpg Does this look comfortable ladies? https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/497074770_640.jpg Not really - I think his stool should have some sort of back support.
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Reply #797 - Jun 26^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

... wrote on Jun 26^th, 2015 at 9:25am:

The Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 9:18pm:

... wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

See if they had have said:
"I grew up surrounded by tough women"
"I grew up surrounded by women who are tougher than some men"
"I knew a woman who was tougher than most men"

I wouldn't have argued, but as always, they push the rhetoric too far.

Not only was there one woman as tough as "any man" which presumably includes the toughest man alive, but she was surrounded by all these superhumanly tough women! Sounds like a true mystical wonderland.

Women are "tough" in that they will relentlessly argue about anything - check 'em out here. They'll chat to their girlfriends about how they loathe camping and love their wine, heaters and ugg boots, but the moment someone suggests they prefer a comfy home to sleeping in a muddy ditch, they're like a dog with a bone.

Umm excuse me...what normal civilized human being would want to sleep in a muddy ditch?

A comfy home...well what's wrong with that?

Nothing's wrong with that.

Why does something always have to be "wrong" with whatever a man says?

It isn't ALWAYS wrong.

Sometimes it's right.

Why can't it be more often?

That's my gripe.

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Reply #798 - Jun 27^th, 2015 at 12:07pm

... wrote on Jun 25^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

See if they had have said:
"I grew up surrounded by tough women"
"I grew up surrounded by women who are tougher than some men"
"I knew a woman who was tougher than most men"

I wouldn't have argued, but as always, they push the rhetoric too far.

Not only was there one woman as tough as "any man" which presumably includes the toughest man alive, but she was surrounded by all these superhumanly tough women! Sounds like a true mystical wonderland.

Women are "tough" in that they will relentlessly argue about anything - check 'em out here. They'll chat to their girlfriends about how they loathe camping and love their wine, heaters and ugg boots, but the moment someone suggests they prefer a comfy home to sleeping in a muddy ditch, they're like a dog with a bone.

Oh, so for lack of any substantial argument you're going to argue semantics? Oh okay. Good job, you want a cookie?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #799 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 9:00am If he's anything like my husband....I'd say he does. Husbands are more or less like children...they grow older but never grow up. Why? Don't know....yet.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #801 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:28am What can I say? The guy was a very pathetic and tragic figure. And you see fit to quote him...in such a context????
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Reply #802 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:35am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:28am:

The guy was a very pathetic and tragic figure.

Was he?

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Schopenhauer's influence has proven profound across various disciplines; those who have cited his influence include Friedrich Nietzsche,[11] Richard Wagner, Leo Tolstoy, Ludwig Wittgenstein,[12] Erwin Schrödinger, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein,[13] Otto Rank, Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, Thomas Mann, and Jorge Luis Borges, among others.

Have any great thinkers anyone at all cited Lisa Jones as having a profound influence on them?

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Reply #803 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm

Ironically, both history and the "great thinkers" brigade are not great examples, evidence or bases for comparison.

Why you may well ask?

Consider the gender of those who have more often than not recorded history.

Consider the gender of those attributing greatness to said "thinkers".

The competition between genders, seemingly at least, limits the capacity of each gender to judge the other evenly, appropriately, fairly and/or with anything even approaching equity. Isn't it somewhat humorous that the only EQUITY between genders is the rapaciousness each gender demonstrates in detracting the other gender?

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Reply #804 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:08pm

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Ironically, both history and the "great thinkers" brigade are not great examples, evidence or bases for comparison.

Why you may well ask?

Consider the gender of those who have more often than not recorded history.

Consider the gender of those attributing greatness to said "thinkers".

The competition between genders, seemingly at least, limits the capacity of each gender to judge the other evenly, appropriately, fairly and/or with anything even approaching equity. Isn't it somewhat humorous that the only EQUITY between genders is the rapaciousness each gender demonstrates in detracting the other gender?

Concentrating on gender merely pushes aside the issues these thinkers dealt with. Schopenhauer isn't great because he's a male; he's great because he wrote an interesting and influential philosophy.

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Reply #805 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm

... wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:35am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 11:28am:

The guy was a very pathetic and tragic figure.

Was he?

Quote:

Schopenhauer's influence has proven profound across various disciplines; those who have cited his influence include Friedrich Nietzsche,[11] Richard Wagner, Leo Tolstoy, Ludwig Wittgenstein,[12] Erwin Schrödinger, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein,[13] Otto Rank, Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell, Thomas Mann, and Jorge Luis Borges, among others.

Have any great thinkers anyone at all cited Lisa Jones as having a profound influence on them?

Schopenhauer is vastly undervalued in the academe, but not among his peers.

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Reply #806 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Ironically, both history and the "great thinkers" brigade are not great examples, evidence or bases for comparison.

Why you may well ask?

Consider the gender of those who have more often than not recorded history.

Consider the gender of those attributing greatness to said "thinkers".

The competition between genders, seemingly at least, limits the capacity of each gender to judge the other evenly, appropriately, fairly and/or with anything even approaching equity. Isn't it somewhat humorous that the only EQUITY between genders is the rapaciousness each gender demonstrates in detracting the other gender?

Concentrating on gender merely pushes aside the issues these thinkers dealt with. Schopenhauer isn't great because he's a male; he's great because he wrote an interesting and influential philosophy.

No doubt, particularly evidenced in his quote above.

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Reply #807 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Ironically, both history and the "great thinkers" brigade are not great examples, evidence or bases for comparison.

Why you may well ask?

Consider the gender of those who have more often than not recorded history.

Consider the gender of those attributing greatness to said "thinkers".

The competition between genders, seemingly at least, limits the capacity of each gender to judge the other evenly, appropriately, fairly and/or with anything even approaching equity. Isn't it somewhat humorous that the only EQUITY between genders is the rapaciousness each gender demonstrates in detracting the other gender?

Concentrating on gender merely pushes aside the issues these thinkers dealt with. Schopenhauer isn't great because he's a male; he's great because he wrote an interesting and influential philosophy.

No doubt, particularly evidenced in his quote above.

Truth isn't often popular, I know.

The German Idealists, which Schopenhauer is one of, have helped shaped modern views of subjectivity. Modern psychology owes a great deal to Schopenhauer.

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Reply #808 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:24pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:14pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 5:17pm:

Ironically, both history and the "great thinkers" brigade are not great examples, evidence or bases for comparison.

Why you may well ask?

Consider the gender of those who have more often than not recorded history.

Consider the gender of those attributing greatness to said "thinkers".

The competition between genders, seemingly at least, limits the capacity of each gender to judge the other evenly, appropriately, fairly and/or with anything even approaching equity. Isn't it somewhat humorous that the only EQUITY between genders is the rapaciousness each gender demonstrates in detracting the other gender?

Concentrating on gender merely pushes aside the issues these thinkers dealt with. Schopenhauer isn't great because he's a male; he's great because he wrote an interesting and influential philosophy.

No doubt, particularly evidenced in his quote above.

Truth isn't often popular, I know.

The German Idealists, which Schopenhauer is one of, have helped shaped modern views of subjectivity. Modern psychology owes a great deal to Schopenhauer.

Truth is based in fact - Opinion, on the other hand can be as ill informed, ignorant as it likes.

I am not suggesting he got everything wrong by the by, I am more than well aware of some of his "great" work. However, everyone has the capacity to be wrong, as is demonstrated in his quote above.

I realise that truth hurts, hence your upset at me pointing to a flaw in one of you "great thinker" heroes. It hurts I get it.

Sorry for that, but, as you say, the truth is often not popular. You don't have to like me, honestly, I will be ok with that.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #809 - Jul 2^nd, 2015 at 6:33pm He's wrong because you hurt me. Arh, great! How about pointing out why he's wrong?
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