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Reply #30 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
Some wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.      Sad
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Reply #31 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:09pm
 
No jobs and no vision under Abbott Government
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07 August, 2014 | Media Release Unemployment has hit a 12 year high while the Abbott Government has been focused on punishing Australians with its cruel budget measures instead of creating jobs.

The 6.4% unemployment rate is the highest since June 2002, said ACTU President Ged Kearney.

“The Abbott Government’s budget is not just a political failure, but an economic failure as well,” said Ms Kearney.

“Australia needs a plan for jobs, not a plan to slash the social safety net.”

There are now 789,000 unemployed Australians but only 146,100 available jobs, said Ms Kearney.

“Yet just last week the Abbott Government revealed its plans to make job seekers apply for 40 jobs a month – where are the jobs for them to apply for?

“No matter how many applications people send out, 789,000 people can’t fit into 146,000 vacancies.

Australians want a Government with a plan to address job creation and strengthen the economy – not a Government that is intent on punishing hardworking Australians and the most vulnerable in our community, said Ms Kearney.

“Instead the Abbott Government’s answer is to slash public sector jobs, cut $500 million out of the budget for skills and training and shut down investment in clean energy jobs.”

“The Government has refused to support industries in restructuring, such as automotive industry, causing tens of thousands of jobs to be lost.”

Instead of trying to make people pay more for medications and to visit the GP, Tony Abbott should be telling Australians how he is going to create jobs, said Ms Kearney.

“These shocking unemployment figures show just how sadly lacking the Government’s economic vision for Australia really is.”
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Re: Coalition's Newstart obligations fuel unemployment
Reply #32 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 9:00pm
 
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Some wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.      Sad    



only numpties belive in unions
Norco (a co op of private farmers) have got contracts to sell 1/2 of the milk into china as baby formula and fresh product at $9 a litre.
will go from strength to strength.
non unionised, worlds best practice.

the geelong ford workers joined a union (compulsory).
sure they got all these lurks and perks that farmers would never ask for. they also got retrenched.

Hows the union life working out for them down in geelong.
When my farming mates in northern NSW have cashed up, we might come buy their homes. then we might boycott woolies and the auto workers can pay $9 a litre for milk

gotta love globalisation, as long as your not a union bludger that is Wink
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Reply #33 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 11:49pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
welcome to globalisation.

labour is a commodity, just like iron ore, wool and computer chips.

we expect free trade in commodities to increase prosperity , so labour is no different.

if gina can source labour at $2 an hour, good luck to her.  the labour protectionist fags all love the cheap trinkets on ebay made in china. they dont be giving a sh*t about local manufacturers.
they love the $1 milk courtesy of woolies cartel, they dont be giving a sh*t about farmers.
so deregulate the labour market and if aussies are smarter and work harder, they can earn more. otherwise, they are just racist cry babies wanting others to work for cheap wages but refusing to do so themselves.
doesnt matter if they accept it or not, they'll accept it when they have nothing to eat but dirt and the power gets cut off.
welcome to the jungle leftards


I agree...and we should also get cheaper defence forces by offering out tenders and accepting the lowest bidder.
Countries like Vietnam and Cambodia could supply us with all the equipment and personnel that we need for a fraction of the cost of our present army, navy and airforce.


While we are at it we should out source all our political positions to overseas countries. Perhaps the 457 could be expanded to include politicians. Not happy with our pollies, the Australian people could bring in someone from Norway, Denmark or Germany to show us what a compassionate functioning  democracy should run like !
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Re: Coalition's Newstart obligations fuel unemployment
Reply #34 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 11:55pm
 
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Some wonder why people join unions.  Go figure.      Sad    


They are as necessary now as they ever were, if not more so.

Most of the clowns here and elsewhere who are bagging unions are fools
who, regardless of the hypocrisy of it all, still take the benefits that unions
gained for them.

Remember the old 'No ticket, no work' days?

Should be brought back, but with an emphasis on 'No ticket, no benefits'.
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Re: Coalition's Newstart obligations fuel unemployment
Reply #35 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:29am
 
fractalign wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 9:47am:
Tony Abbot is a foreigner himself. His true loyalty lies with the military industrial complex and big business and its share holders. He has no loyalty with the Australian people. He is the worst prime minister this country has ever had the Coalition are idiots for not realises that he is their worst enemy.

The sooner they dump him the better for the rest of us.


Agree with that!
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Re: Coalition's Newstart obligations fuel unemployment
Reply #36 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
fractalign wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 11:49pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:06pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 4:45pm:
welcome to globalisation.

labour is a commodity, just like iron ore, wool and computer chips.

we expect free trade in commodities to increase prosperity , so labour is no different.

if gina can source labour at $2 an hour, good luck to her.  the labour protectionist fags all love the cheap trinkets on ebay made in china. they dont be giving a sh*t about local manufacturers.
they love the $1 milk courtesy of woolies cartel, they dont be giving a sh*t about farmers.
so deregulate the labour market and if aussies are smarter and work harder, they can earn more. otherwise, they are just racist cry babies wanting others to work for cheap wages but refusing to do so themselves.
doesnt matter if they accept it or not, they'll accept it when they have nothing to eat but dirt and the power gets cut off.
welcome to the jungle leftards


I agree...and we should also get cheaper defence forces by offering out tenders and accepting the lowest bidder.
Countries like Vietnam and Cambodia could supply us with all the equipment and personnel that we need for a fraction of the cost of our present army, navy and airforce.


While we are at it we should out source all our political positions to overseas countries. Perhaps the 457 could be expanded to include politicians. Not happy with our pollies, the Australian people could bring in someone from Norway, Denmark or Germany to show us what a compassionate functioning  democracy should run like !



personally, i'd bring in someone from Beijing, seoul or taipai to show us what 7.5 % economic growth is like.
they would, of course, be here to support the movers, shakers and innovators (ie, the lifters). they would be here to ignore the leaners, Wink
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Re: Coalition's Newstart obligations fuel unemployment
Reply #37 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:24am
 
To the conservatives high unemployment is not a bad thing, sure they took credit for the coincidental low unemployment during the Howard term but that was not really what they wanted.

To the conservatives a huge pool of unemployed can be used to drive the lowest wages down further with competition for low paying work which is done by the people they don't like and don't care about.
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Reply #38 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:44am
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:24am:
To the conservatives high unemployment is not a bad thing, sure they took credit for the coincidental low unemployment during the Howard term but that was not really what they wanted.

To the conservatives a huge pool of unemployed can be used to drive the lowest wages down further with competition for low paying work which is done by the people they don't like and don't care about.



No , I would disagree with that.
lots of people, innovative and starting new small businesses (and that's where the future employment is) creates lots of demand in the economy, lots of spenders and buyers,'
The only business that would like high unemployment would be EB games, foxtel and blockbuster video.

Also, people are the business, especially in small business. if you have good people and your competitors have staff that are "slackers", then their business is doomed.
this is the big problem for the unemployed and why I keep telling them that talking doom and gloom like crook or greenswin is death to your employment prospects. its why I keep telling them that getting a job (a good job) is like getting a good date.
you have to put in effort.
it isn't going to just happen and having a negative attitude is something an employer or a customer can pick up on immediately. the slacker has a certain 'stench of failure" about him.
he needs an attitude change before his employment prospects will be going anywhere. and hating on the bosses and employers is plain ridiculous. its like being the worlds biggest misogynist and then going to a singles bar.
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Reply #39 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:49am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:24am:
To the conservatives high unemployment is not a bad thing, sure they took credit for the coincidental low unemployment during the Howard term but that was not really what they wanted.

To the conservatives a huge pool of unemployed can be used to drive the lowest wages down further with competition for low paying work which is done by the people they don't like and don't care about.



No , I would disagree with that.
lots of people, innovative and starting new small businesses (and that's where the future employment is) creates lots of demand in the economy, lots of spenders and buyers,'
The only business that would like high unemployment would be EB games, foxtel and blockbuster video.

Also, people are the business, especially in small business. if you have good people and your competitors have staff that are "slackers", then their business is doomed.
this is the big problem for the unemployed and why I keep telling them that talking doom and gloom like crook or greenswin is death to your employment prospects. its why I keep telling them that getting a job (a good job) is like getting a good date.
you have to put in effort.
it isn't going to just happen and having a negative attitude is something an employer or a customer can pick up on immediately. the slacker has a certain 'stench of failure" about him.
he needs an attitude change before his employment prospects will be going anywhere. and hating on the bosses and employers is plain ridiculous. its like being the worlds biggest misogynist and then going to a singles bar.


No , I would disagree with that.

Well there's a surprise.

Actually this was the policy the liberals implemented when Howard was treasurer and they explained what they were trying to do.

It was meant to cure stagflation by driving wages down. It not only didn't work it made the problem worse. One of the reason that Howard is widely considered to be Australia's worst ever treasurer.

But Yes the Liberals have deliberately done this in the past, they implemented policy meant to increase unemployment to achieve a general wage reduction to assist employers. The theory that a large pool of unemployed means a pool of cheap labour is attractive to conservatives.
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Reply #40 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:55am
 
Yet some still wonder why people join union.  Go figure.   Roll Eyes      
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Reply #41 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:27am
 
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Yet some still wonder why people join union.  Go figure.   Roll Eyes      


At last something we agree on crook.
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Reply #42 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:49am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Dnarever wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 7:24am:
To the conservatives high unemployment is not a bad thing, sure they took credit for the coincidental low unemployment during the Howard term but that was not really what they wanted.

To the conservatives a huge pool of unemployed can be used to drive the lowest wages down further with competition for low paying work which is done by the people they don't like and don't care about.



No , I would disagree with that.
lots of people, innovative and starting new small businesses (and that's where the future employment is) creates lots of demand in the economy, lots of spenders and buyers,'
The only business that would like high unemployment would be EB games, foxtel and blockbuster video.

Also, people are the business, especially in small business. if you have good people and your competitors have staff that are "slackers", then their business is doomed.
this is the big problem for the unemployed and why I keep telling them that talking doom and gloom like crook or greenswin is death to your employment prospects. its why I keep telling them that getting a job (a good job) is like getting a good date.
you have to put in effort.
it isn't going to just happen and having a negative attitude is something an employer or a customer can pick up on immediately. the slacker has a certain 'stench of failure" about him.
he needs an attitude change before his employment prospects will be going anywhere. and hating on the bosses and employers is plain ridiculous. its like being the worlds biggest misogynist and then going to a singles bar.


No , I would disagree with that.

Well there's a surprise.

Actually this was the policy the liberals implemented when Howard was treasurer and they explained what they were trying to do.

It was meant to cure stagflation by driving wages down. It not only didn't work it made the problem worse. One of the reason that Howard is widely considered to be Australia's worst ever treasurer.

But Yes the Liberals have deliberately done this in the past, they implemented policy meant to increase unemployment to achieve a general wage reduction to assist employers. The theory that a large pool of unemployed means a pool of cheap labour is attractive to conservatives.


Workchoices may not be popular but it is a road down which we will be going.
The globalisation of nearly all markets for "stuff" MUST include a realisation that "wages for labour" is part of that "stuff"

when Ken Knight won the Harvard business award for his thesis on NIKE being a "global roamer". that NIKE would move its factory to korea and when cheaper wages became available in Vietnam, would move there and when cheaper wages became availbale in Indonesia , would move there.....the die has been cast my friend,

Hansen wanted to put up barriers, barriers and tarrifs that were shredded by union heavy weight Bob Hawke.

aussies can bury their head in the sand and think they deserve $ 40 a hour to manufacture the same item that an Asian will do for $5.
They can think they deserve $30 an hour to work in a call centre when an Asian will do it for $5.

But they are pissing into the wind.
workchoices and flexibility of the labor market is inevitable.

the powers of globalisation of the labour market aren't going to stop for crook or yourself, no matter how much you bury your head in the sand.

the unions will make this problem much worse.
learn from our sectors which can compete globally

farming
health
finance and insurance
private universities

hardly a union in site.

the union is dead and workchoices is coming.
Bob Hawke and John Button made it so (and good on them)
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Reply #43 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:39am
 
Well aquascoot, the thing is I don't think we do agree.   Sad
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Reply #44 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:41am
 
Workchoices.    Shocked    Shocked    Shocked    Shocked    Shocked    Shocked
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