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The Medical Co-Payment.
Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:32pm
 
Peter Costello has now sunk the boot in.  This policy is finished.  PUP will not support it and now Mr Hokeidonian is being lectured by his LNP predecessor, the financial idol of the right.

(The Link is from The Australian.....and their story is taken from Costello's appearance on Bolt's show of today.  A live link is not possible given Murdoch's demand that we pay to read/link his on-line 'papers.')

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JOE Hockey has been urged to reboot his budget and scrap the unpopular $7 GP co-payment, with former Liberal treasurer Peter Costello saying governments have to cut their losses.

THE treasurer is struggling to convince crossbenchers to back his budget, with key measures such as the Medicare co-payment and welfare changes facing defeat.
Mr Costello said the coalition should "reboot the whole argument" by bringing forward the next intergenerational report, which highlights long-term pressures on government spending.

It should also dump measures unlikely to pass the Senate, he said.

"Sooner or later you have to cut losses," he told the Ten Network on Sunday.

"The $7 co-payment ... it's just not going to happen, so let's move on."

Mr Costello also rebuked his former colleague for complaining that business had not adequately backed his budget.

"There is no point blaming business ... he's got to get it through, it's his responsibility," he said.


Poor old Joe Hokeidonian, loved by no-one these days, and now, it seems, about to be thrown to the wolves.
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:37pm
 
Peter Costello was a great treasurer and knew how to negotiate and compromise where as Hockey is an arrogant dipstick hell bent on forcing the poor, the old and the sick to pay through the nose while pandering to wealthy tax dodgers.
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:52pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Peter Costello was a great treasurer


Finally something I can agree with....
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:21pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Peter Costello was a great treasurer


Finally something I can agree with....


Jolly good.  Do you agree with Costello that Mr Hokeidonian must abandon the medical co-payment as a matter of political pragmatism?
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:53pm
 
Sounds to me Abbort should do a reshuffle!!

The idiot brigade is becoming more obvious to the even the "once in three years followers of politics"
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:59pm
 
HELP, Mr Abbott your Medical Co- Payment is making us sick.  We don't want your doctor tax.      Sad    
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:21pm:
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Peter Costello was a great treasurer


Finally something I can agree with....


Jolly good.  Do you agree with Costello that Mr Hokeidonian must abandon the medical co-payment as a matter of political pragmatism?


I would agree that sometimes you just have to pander to the ochlocrats
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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 6:21pm:
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:52pm:
adelcrow wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 5:37pm:
Peter Costello was a great treasurer


Finally something I can agree with....


Jolly good.  Do you agree with Costello that Mr Hokeidonian must abandon the medical co-payment as a matter of political pragmatism?


I would agree that sometimes you just have to pander to the ochlocrats


Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced.   Also, what is an ochlocrat in this context?  Costello is not part of a 'mob.'
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Reply #8 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced


Convinced? No.  I agree with the policy.  This country needs a hell of a lot more user pays and fees for service not less.



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Reply #9 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:57pm
 
Yes, why not keep the Co- Payment, and then pay for it at the ballot box.  See you on election day Mr Abbott.      Grin
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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 8:09pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced


Convinced? No.  I agree with the policy.  This country needs a hell of a lot more user pays and fees for service not less.





So - every time some user uses us to get into politics for personal gain, or some user uses every rort available to get rich by starving innocent children and the poor... they should pay?

Finallyt, something I can agree with you on.
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Reply #11 - Aug 10th, 2014 at 10:59pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced


Convinced? No.  I agree with the policy.  This country needs a hell of a lot more user pays and fees for service not less.



Yet Abbott has vowed to remove the means test on the private health insurance rebate.....Abbott has not done it yet so will this be another broken promise.....I find it disgusting that Abbott would charge the poor and disadvantaged to see a doctor whilst returning taxpayers money to the well off to subsidise their health care.....Apparently health is only sustainable for Abbott and Hockey when it is the rich who benefit....Go figure???

Huh Huh Huh

An excellent article from Dr Peter Sivey, a senior lecturer in the School of Economics at La Trobe University.....

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2014/opinion/private-health-shouldnt-be-...
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Reply #12 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:33am
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced


Convinced? No.  I agree with the policy.  This country needs a hell of a lot more user pays and fees for service not less.



Good for the richer, crappy for everyone else.
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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:47am
 
Kytro wrote on Aug 11th, 2014 at 3:33am:
Swagman wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 10th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Is that a 'yes', that the co-payment ought be ditched, or are you not yet convinced


Convinced? No.  I agree with the policy.  This country needs a hell of a lot more user pays and fees for service not less.



Good for the richer, crappy for everyone else.


Doctor surgeries are not golf clubs nor leisure resorts, they are attended by the sick.

The LNP putting the boot into the sick is something the sicko pome and his arse sniffers feel proud of, but no Australian does!
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Pensioners face $130 medical hit

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PENSIONERS could be hit with an out-of-pocket rise in their healthcare costs of more than $130 under the government’s budget measures — the impact of the $7 GP co-payment and the increase in the cost of medicines.      Sad

Labor has seized on modelling released under Freedom of Information laws by Treasury, which details how pensioners and families will be affected by the budget changes. Co-payments under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme would increase for general ­patients by $5 in 2015, and for concessional patients by $0.80.

The modelling refers to age pensioner “Joyce”, who purchases 80 medicines a year listed with the PBS. She pays $6.10 for 60 PBS medicines before reaching the safety net under current arrangements, then receives the last 20 medicines for free.

But if the government’s increase to the PBS is legislated, she would pay $6.90 for 62 PBS medicines before reaching the safety net, receiving the last 18 for free.

“Joyce will pay $61.80 more in 2015 for her medicines,” the document states.

When the $7 GP co-payment is added — capped at 10 visits a year — Joyce would pay a total of $131.80 for her healthcare costs.

The analysis — which has been publicly available since the budget but released again last week after an FOI request — also reveals that “Joyce” would pay $114 more than she currently does for medicines by 2018.

Opposition health spokeswoman Catherine King said the modelling was “proof” Joe Hockey had deceived voters.

“This exposes Joe Hockey’s deceit on how his budget would hurt pensioners. He knew, but hid this from pensioners,” Ms King said. “For pensioners, every dollar counts. This is a very big hit to their standard of living.”      Sad

Senate crossbenchers John Madigan and Nick Xenophon said the double hit to pensioners was unfair and did not accurately reflect the long-term costs.

“Not only do I think it’s unfair but I think it’s understated,” Senator Xenophon said. “The real cost on the system will be more people getting sicker because the co-­payments will dissuade them from going to the doctor. I’m calling for fresh modelling to look at the true costs of this.”      Wink

Senator Madigan continued the assault on the budget, revealing that the Treasurer had told him he was “one of the most disliked” Australians.

“(Joe Hockey) said that he’s one of the most disliked, hated people in the country with the budget he’s got to bring down,” he said on ABC’s Insiders.

“I’ve got empathy for him (but) I wonder how much empathy he’s got for those people who are going to be hit hard by this budget.”      Angry

His comments came as former treasurer Peter Costello urged the government to scrap the GP co-payment.

“The $7 co-payment is not going to go through. It’s just not going to happen. So let’s move on. I think they have to reboot the whole argument,” he told the Ten Network.

A Treasury spokesman said the 2014 budget would take steps to put health spending growth “on a sustainable path”.

“In terms of the impact of the increased PBS contribution and the Medicare co-payment, we were completely upfront in the budget documents,” the spokesman said. “While continuing to support the most vulnerable in the community, government spending must be targeted to those most in need.”
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