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Karnal
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freediver wrote on Aug 16 th, 2014 at 12:54pm: Karnal wrote on Aug 16 th, 2014 at 12:37pm: Soren wrote on Aug 16 th, 2014 at 10:42am: Brian Ross wrote on Aug 14 th, 2014 at 7:28pm: No immigrant group is "ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy". Individuals may be but the entire Muslim community? What planet do you live on, FD, really? 'cause it sure isn't the Earth. I've never met a Muslim opposed to "freedom and democracy" and I've met a fairly wide cross section. You speak as if this is what the majority of Muslims believe.  Islam is ideologically opposed to freedom, democracy, equality, self-correction and all the rest of that makes the West. Individuals who are born into Islam but who do not embrace it fully or at all (apostates) may not be against these things. But Islam is and its adhrents, by definition, are. Whether they are 'peaceful or not is a different issue. Most Germans in the Nazi era, Russians under Stalin, Chinese under Mao etc were not vicious murderers themselves even as millions were killed in these regimes. The West didn't say, "lets allow non-dicriminatory migration from these places because it is only the 'tiny minority' of Germans, Russian and Chinese are bad, those who distort the essentially peaceful ideas of National Socialism, Communism or Mao thought". Only those who were demonstrably AGAINST these ideologies were given refuge. Not the ones who were too cowardly and opportunistic, despite their 'vast majority" to confront the evils of the "distorting tiny minority". The same should apply to Islam. Sorry, old chap, I don’t quite follow. Are you saying Muslims are terrible, but Nazis and Communists are, on the whole, really nice people once you get to know them? Please explain. Islam, Nazism, Communism are terrible ideologies that have been inflicted upon the world with the assistance of some very polite people. People who walk their dog, say hello to their neighbour, eat corn flakes for breakfast, and, if given the chance, like to hack the head of anyone who says the wrong thing. Brian's best friends, in other words. That’s quite a few ideologies, FD. Quite a few on this board are heavily influenced by at least one of them. Do you think, perhaps, that you or I could be one of these head-hacking types? You know, one day we’re happily eating our corn flakes, and the next - we’re Brian’s best friend. People like Y and the old boy, of course, would be excluded. We know theyve got the axe ready and waiting.They consider it a sin to have a clean axe - the more bone splinters, dried blood and hair, the better. But ordinary people like myself and the 2007 FD - could we go from breakfast-eating dog-walkers to head-hacking mass murderers without any warning or sign? What do you think it would take, FD?
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