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Reply #75 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
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When you state, "Muslims believe this," or "Muslims do that," you are speaking of the collective, plural, implying all Muslims believe or do something, FD.


How do you know exactly what I mean Brian?  Is this another demonstration of your amazing ability to know what people think without asking them?


There is this thing called language, FD.  It is how we convey ideas and concepts to one another.  I have assumed up until this point that we were conversing, electronically, through the written form of the language of Australian English.  It is how you tell me what you mean when we are debating a particular issue on this electronic bulletin board. It appears perhaps that I was mistaken.    Roll Eyes

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English appears to be a second language to you, FD or are you merely being deliberately obtuse and attempting to wriggle out (again)?


This is nothing to do with the meaning of English and everything to do with you imagining things I don't actually say. You even admitted you were "forced to fill in the gaps".


And you have had the opportunity to correct me, FD.  You have instead decided to focus not upon the issue under discussion and instead turn this into a general discussion about the usage of language.   Everything I have said is quite reasonable but you've decided that it would be useful to dispute every point in an effort to escape censure for your comments.   Roll Eyes

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Why is the most populous Muslim nation a democracy?


Gandalf was recently complaining about the 'evil west' interfering to make it that way. When the most populous Muslim nation is a democracy, that is Islam, but when they slaughter communists to get there, that is all our fault.


I asked for a link to that comment.  You still haven't supplied it, FD so in the spirit of amicable conversation that you've decided no longer to take part in, I'll ask for it again.  Prove to me that was that Gandalf said or even implied, otherwise I'll assume you are lying.    Roll Eyes

BTW, the CIA admitted two decades ago that it was complicit in the slaughter of up to 2 million Indonesians who were linked to the PKI in the days of the coup and counter-coup that brought their protégé Sukarno to power, so if by "our" you mean "the west", I think if Gandalf did in fact actually claim that, he's close to being on the money, FD.

What I find interesting is how easily you keep being tripped up by even recent history, FD.   It keeps happening, time after time, over facts which are even easily checked.  It's as if you're not even really paying attention and are only going through the motions.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #76 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:07pm
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 4:50pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 4:37pm:
Every Islamic doctrine and utterance is against freedom. The very word means submission.


So, you should have no problem then quoting this doctrine to us, chapter and verse, Soren?   Roll Eyes




All of the Koran, all of the hadiths.

It is conceived entirely on  unfree premises - that is why it is called Submission. Islam is entirely premised on sumbmission to an absolutely unfathomable, unknowable God. All its texts and teachings follow from that.





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Reply #77 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
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When you state, "Muslims believe this," or "Muslims do that," you are speaking of the collective, plural, implying all Muslims believe or do something, FD.


How do you know exactly what I mean Brian? Is this another demonstration of your amazing ability to know what people think without asking them?

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English appears to be a second language to you, FD or are you merely being deliberately obtuse and attempting to wriggle out (again)?


This is nothing to do with the meaning of English and everything to do with you imagining things I don't actually say. You even admitted you were "forced to fill in the gaps".


Exactly. How dare they do this to you, FD.
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Reply #78 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm
 
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And you have had the opportunity to correct me, FD.


I tried that. It didn't work.

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I have assumed up until this point that we were conversing, electronically, through the written form of the language of Australian English.


You are wrong on the basic English as well Brian.

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You have instead decided to focus not upon the issue under discussion and instead turn this into a general discussion about the usage of language.


I was attempting to explain to you why you are wrong Brian. It is not my fault I had to take it all the way back to primary school. We can't exactly move on from this, because you carry on with the same stupid crap forever.

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Everything I have said is quite reasonable


Except where you insist you are forced to "fill in the gaps" using your own imagination, then reinvent the English language to justify yourself. Every discussion with you turns into you making the same idiotic claims. You do it to plenty of other people also. You end up having the same demented 'socratic' argument with everyone.
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Reply #79 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
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And you have had the opportunity to correct me, FD.


I tried that. It didn't work.


Because I pointed out your "correction" as dissembling, FD.   Roll Eyes

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I have assumed up until this point that we were conversing, electronically, through the written form of the language of Australian English.


You are wrong on the basic English as well Brian.


No, I have shown your understanding of basic English is wrong, FD.   Roll Eyes

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You have instead decided to focus not upon the issue under discussion and instead turn this into a general discussion about the usage of language.


I was attempting to explain to you why you are wrong Brian. It is not my fault I had to take it all the way back to primary school. We can't exactly move on from this, because you carry on with the same stupid crap forever.


Wow, you seem to be the one needs simple English explained to them, FD, not me.   Roll Eyes

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Everything I have said is quite reasonable


Except where you insist you are forced to "fill in the gaps" using your own imagination, then reinvent the English language to justify yourself.


I have not reinvented anything.  Is your background non-English speaking?   Roll Eyes

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Reply #80 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:11pm:
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And you have had the opportunity to correct me, FD.


I tried that. It didn't work.


Because I pointed out your "correction" as dissembling, FD.   Roll Eyes

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I have assumed up until this point that we were conversing, electronically, through the written form of the language of Australian English.


You are wrong on the basic English as well Brian.


No, I have shown your understanding of basic English is wrong, FD.   Roll Eyes

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You have instead decided to focus not upon the issue under discussion and instead turn this into a general discussion about the usage of language.


I was attempting to explain to you why you are wrong Brian. It is not my fault I had to take it all the way back to primary school. We can't exactly move on from this, because you carry on with the same stupid crap forever.


Wow, you seem to be the one needs simple English explained to them, FD, not me.   Roll Eyes

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Everything I have said is quite reasonable


Except where you insist you are forced to "fill in the gaps" using your own imagination, then reinvent the English language to justify yourself.


I have not reinvented anything.  Is your background non-English speaking?   Roll Eyes




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Reply #81 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm
 
Freedom and Islam are incompatible.  You cannot be a free Muslim.

You are either cheating on your Islam or you are cheating on your freedom.

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Reply #82 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 4:50pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 4:37pm:
Every Islamic doctrine and utterance is against freedom. The very word means submission.


So, you should have no problem then quoting this doctrine to us, chapter and verse, Soren?   Roll Eyes




All of the Koran, all of the hadiths.

It is conceived entirely on  unfree premises - that is why it is called Submission. Islam is entirely premised on sumbmission to an absolutely unfathomable, unknowable God. All its texts and teachings follow from that.





All two hundred thousand of them. Who’s been a busy old boy ploughing through all them?

Always, absolutely - entirely.

If you ever need an imam, effendes, the old boy’s your man.




You mean 150-300 million of them? (15-30%)

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Reply #83 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 12:34am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Freedom and Islam are incompatible.  You cannot be a free Muslim.

You are either cheating on your Islam or you are cheating on your freedom.



Says a dirty old boy who stands against the freedom to do pretty much everything, with one exception.

Offending.

Allah uakbar, no?
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Reply #84 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 1:29am
 
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Freedom and Islam are incompatible.  You cannot be a free Muslim.

You are either cheating on your Islam or you are cheating on your freedom.


Yet we have millions of Muslims just to the north of our continent who'd disagree with you, Soren.   I'll take their word over yours any day.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #85 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:41am
 
In Indonesia, the majority of Muslims favour making Shariah the law of the land. Half go so far as to support stoning people to death as a punishment for adultery. If you go further north to Malaysia, the majority support both stoning for adultery and the death penalty for apostasy. When it comes to women's rights, a whopping 93% of south east asian Muslims believe a woman should obey her husband.
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Reply #86 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:48am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 1:29am:
Yet we have millions of Muslims just to the north of our continent who'd disagree with you, Soren.   I'll take their word over yours any day.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakar_Bashir

What a disgusting individual you are.
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Reply #87 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 1:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:41am:
In Indonesia, the majority of Muslims favour making Shariah the law of the land. Half go so far as to support stoning people to death as a punishment for adultery. If you go further north to Malaysia, the majority support both stoning for adultery and the death penalty for apostasy. When it comes to women's rights, a whopping 93% of south east asian Muslims believe a woman should obey her husband.


True, FD. It’s the same statistics as Queensland. If you go further north, people are much nicer.
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Reply #88 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:10pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 1:29am:
Soren wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:50pm:
Freedom and Islam are incompatible.  You cannot be a free Muslim.

You are either cheating on your Islam or you are cheating on your freedom.


Yet we have millions of Muslims just to the north of our continent who'd disagree with you, Soren.   I'll take their word over yours any day.   Roll Eyes

Yeah, ask them:

However, the emergence of Indonesia’s democracy has been accompanied by an unintended phenomenon: the decline of religious freedom. The growing influence of militant Islamist groups has significantly contributed to this problem. They promote antipluralist ideologies and intolerant attitudes toward religious minorities like Ahmadis and Christians, threatening the future of democracy in the world’s largest Muslim country. In addition to inciting hatred and discrimination, they have mobilized mass support for communal violence. The evidence shows that these militant Islamists have attacked and even killed members of religious minorities over the last several years.  The Wahid Institute’s Report on Religious Freedom in Indonesia (2011) shows an 18 percent increase in religious intolerance in various provinces and cities compared with the previous year (2010).  Meanwhile, the Setara Institute for Democracy and Peace noted that there were 299 cases related to violence against religious freedom in 2011. The report also shows that West Java, East Java, and South Sulawesi provinces were ranked at the highest level of religious intolerance.

Not surprisingly, Indonesia has lost something of its former reputation and is increasingly seen as a home to “the angry Islam.” The government appears unable to control the militant Islamists, and religious freedom in the country is now at a crossroads.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/blog/paradox-indonesia%E2%80%99s-democracy-and-relig...
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Reply #89 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 1:32am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:41am:
In Indonesia, the majority of Muslims favour making Shariah the law of the land. Half go so far as to support stoning people to death as a punishment for adultery. If you go further north to Malaysia, the majority support both stoning for adultery and the death penalty for apostasy. When it comes to women's rights, a whopping 93% of south east asian Muslims believe a woman should obey her husband.


Feminism is rebellion against God's AUTHORITY!

A Christian Wife is to Obey Her Husband in EVERY THING!

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Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.

[Eph.5:22]

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Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

[Col.3:18]

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Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives,

[I Peter 3:1]

Mmm, appears Christianity and Christians agree with Muslims on the matter of obedience to husbands, FD.   Roll Eyes
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