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George_Orhell Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 445	Re: Would more sanctions on Russia only hurt Australia Reply #15 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead? A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.
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Reply #16 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:33am

BluntObject wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

Sanctions on Russia......?

Please pardon my lack of hysteria, but WHY......????

Would all those screaming for sanctions on Russia please stand up.

Now, please outline your iron clad case for the need for sanctions.....

And please don't tell me it's because they were involved in bringing MH 17 down!

You da man, B.

It's got me stumped too. Talk about Australia shooting itself in the foot ...

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Reply #17 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 7:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

Kytro wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:24pm:

The sanctions are a bad idea in the long term generally. It will force Russia to develop closer links to China and other nations meaning that economic influence over Russia will decline at a faster rate.

The technology blocks will only encourage Russia and it's trading partners to develop the technology themselves. It will slow them down, but in the long term make them more resilient.

perhaps you forget the COld War technology sanctions that let USSR to develop its own technology and the pitiful standard of much of it. Computer technology decades behind, military hardware that was unreliable and poorly performing. Even its much-vaunted (and unproven) ICBMs were later revealed to have such inaccurate guidance systems that hitting the right COUNTRY would have been difficult, nevermind the right city or smaller target.

technology sanctions hurt Russia as they have a poor record in technology development. Do you ever go into an electronics or computer store and drool over the latest Russian hardware and software?? nope. no one else does either.

Looks like Uncle Sam's propaganda went right to your head. Boy are you in for a surprise Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead?

A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

ISIS is using USA made weapons now to wreak havoc in Iraq, is this America's fault...... oh wait....it is actually. Sorry bad example.

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Reply #19 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:35pm

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Grin

Be careful what you wish for. The Russian mafia controls the Russian brides racket, and once they have one of their girls married off to you, it's then that they move in and relieve you of your home and property under our own piss-weak divorce laws in which 'Irreconcilable differences' is enough to toss you out onto the street.

There have been articles written about it in our Sydney papers.

'Russian brides'? ~ Buyer Beware!

As for the Filipina Mail Order brides ~ I think they serve a useful purpose in keeping our paedophiles off the streets and away from the school grounds.

Their small and childlike stature, and immature-looking bodies makes them an ideal substitute for paedos looking for a bit of schoolgirl action

Gee Lord Herbert,
you got it in a nutshell there.
Throw in the shaved vaginas of USA Skanks to promote infantilism...

Bali: Capital of the Aussie Paedophile.

...mind you, most of Canberra speaks Russian anyway. Huh

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #20 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 9:53pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

perhaps you forget the COld War technology sanctions that let USSR to develop its own technology and the pitiful standard of much of it. Computer technology decades behind, military hardware that was unreliable and poorly performing. Even its much-vaunted (and unproven) ICBMs were later revealed to have such inaccurate guidance systems that hitting the right COUNTRY would have been difficult, nevermind the right city or smaller target.

technology sanctions hurt Russia as they have a poor record in technology development. Do you ever go into an electronics or computer store and drool over the latest Russian hardware and software?? nope. no one else does either.

Russia was already behind the US and after WWII the US got hold of many of the good scientists from Germany giving them an advantage.

However, it is really besides the point. Today isn't the same as the cold war. Technology advances are much more ubiquitous and easier than ever to copy, sanctions or not. China is improving in leaps and bounds, and it will sell it's technology to Russia.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49472 Gender:	Re: Would more sanctions on Russia only hurt Australia Reply #21 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:12pm China is going to invade the hell out of a rusted Russia and just plain take Siberia off their hands. Even Ra-Ra-Ras...Putin knows this.
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Would more sanctions on Russia only hurt Australia Reply #22 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 1:02am I propose that Australia stop the export of finest export grade Tassie brand Merkins to Russia. That will be the most effective way to spread misery.
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Reply #23 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Would tougher sanctions on Russia only further hurt the Australian economy?

One of our main export industries took a tough kick after counter-sanctions by Russia. What we saw is what countries in EU are feeling, the sanctions hurt us more than Russia. Even before counter-sanctions, EU was very disadvantaged by imposing sanctions on Russia.

I have a theory as to why further sanctions are a very bad idea for Australia, but I would like to see your poll votes first before I lay it out.

The idea behind sanctions is there is almost always a sacrifice involved.

I mean this is just the kind of of thing we'd expect from an Aussie. 'We won't penalize a bully if it's goin' to 'urt us financially'. A very 'Aussie' position. To hell with the rest of the world, let's just think of ourselves (anyone might fink we 'ave descended from convicts or somefing). This is the same selfish pragmatism that's letting us turn back genuine refuges to this country. Money coming before people is easily accepted by the cockney convict.

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

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Reply #24 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:21pm

Romanos Barbados wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead?

A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

ISIS is using USA made weapons now to wreak havoc in Iraq, is this America's fault...... oh wait....it is actually. Sorry bad example.

mainly through chopping the head of the one it was meant for... dont let that get in the way though...

and dont forget all these nasty sanctions are INTERNATIONAL>...poor Russia its hard when you sympathise with the other side isnt it?

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Reply #25 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:23pm

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told..

I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it.

why didnt he do that??????????? Cheesy

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Reply #27 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told..

I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it.

why didnt he do that??????????? Cheesy

It's not 'our' zone in any sense. Abbott should have some respect. And the airliner was shot down because it overflew a war zone, more than for any other reason.

Aussieland couldn't even defend itself against Fijians if they'd decided to invade us with outrigger canoes. Aussies depend on the country they despise most to give them security, the US.

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Reply #28 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

George_Orhell wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

Australia has a responsibility to place sanctions against Russia otherwise how do you think the rest of the world would view this country, particularly after so many of its citizens are amongst the dead?

The hypocrisy. Abbott makes a big stink about 'Aussies' dieing (ignoring the more than a thousand others that have already died as a result of the conflict) then baulks at economic sanctions.

Aussie of the year nomination for Aussie Tony, I say. Putting money ahead of people, how typical. I mean we put money ahead of animal welfare, why not people too?

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A Russian weapon (with either a Russian trained or in fact a Russian) fired the missile.

It wouldn't make a lot of sense a Russian firing the missile, unless it was a mistaken target.

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Reply #29 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:35pm

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

cods wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

GA wrote on Aug 13^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Then there was Aussie Tony's arrogance in relation to the downed airliner, Everyone stand back, Aussies 'ave died. Stop your war, get out of our way or we'll send in 'armed' guards (what a joke, Glocks up against AK47s). We should have been grateful that they even let us in at all, it is a war zone after-all.

so IT IS OUR WAR ZONE>. why wasnt I told..

I agree Abbott should have bombed the lights out of them and been done with it.

why didnt he do that??????????? Cheesy

It's not 'our' zone in any sense. Abbott should have some respect. And the airliner was shot down because it overflew a war zone, more than for any other reason.

Aussieland couldn't even defend itself against Fijians if they'd decided to invade us with outrigger canoes. Aussies depend on the country they despise most to give them security, the US.

REALLY.. and theres me agreeing with a lefty who think Abbott didnt do enough...hohum cant win...

btw I dont dispise anyone.. especially USA... you can take your HATE and JAM IT..

I think more aussie respect America than despise it as you claim..

I do have a few boomerangs lying around.. I am sure I will defend ok..

tell you what .. at least I would have a go...not run like a wimp

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Question: Will more sanctions on Russia only hurt Australia?
YES 4 (26.7%) NO 4 (26.7%) The sanction war should be dropped completely 7 (46.7%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Romanos Barbados on: Aug 11^th, 2014 at 6:40pm »