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Coup in Iraq?
Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

There's been conflicting reports - but what is clear is that the majority shiite block want Maliki gone - and Maliki is refusing to play ball, and has defiantly deployed loyal troops around Baghdad.

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raq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has resisted growing calls for his resignation and accused the country's new president of violating the constitution, plunging the government into political crisis as it battles the Islamic State group.

Shortly before his defiant speech on Sunday, Maliki deployed security forces and armed groups across the capital Baghdad, the AFP and Reuters news agencies reported.

"There is a huge security presence, police and army, especially around the Green Zone," a highly-protected district that houses Iraq's key institutions, a high-ranking police officer told AFP.

He said the deployment had started at about 10:30pm [1930 GMT], just 90 minutes before the speech.

Despite Maliki's announcement that he intended to run for a third-term as prime minister, a bloc comprising Iraq's biggest Shia parties is close to nominating a new prime minister, Reuters reported, citing the deputy speaker of parliament.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/iraq-pm-defiant-face-resignatio...

This is the wonderful Iraqi "democracy" on display: the democratically elected parliament moves to democratically nominate a new PM, and the current PM responds by deploying troops, and threatening violence.

Yet no one who has been following the increasingly authoritarian maneuvering by Maliki, which has resulted in the disaffected arab-sunnis being excluded from the democratic process - could be surprised by this latest stunt.

Watch this space...

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Re: Coup in Iraq?
Reply #2 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:43am

Well as anticipated, the new PM has been announced.

No move yet from Maliki, besides dismissing the announcement as illegitimate.

The US is welcoming the change, and taking a swipe at Maliki's exclusionary and authoritarian tendencies at the same time:

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Barack Obama, the US president, has said Iraq took "a promising step" forward with the designation of a new prime minister, replacing Nouri al-Maliki.

Obama said on Monday he and Joe Biden, US vice president, had spoken with Haider al-Ibadi, offering the US support, hours after Iraqi president tasked the main Shia coalition nominee with the role.

"The only lasting solution is for Iraqis to come together and form an inclusive government," Obama said, after criticism that Maliki has ruled divisively to advance Iraq's Shia majority.

"This new leadership has a difficult task to regain the confidence of its citizens by governing inclusively and taking steps to demonstrate its resolve."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/obama-welcomes-iraq-new-pm-2014...

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Reply #3 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 2:53pm

I have had enough of these radicals, they are not Muslims, they hide behind a chosen religion, they are just a bunch of lazy ass wipes.

It's not human to teach your own kids to behead and show off.
That's an insane mind that has mutated itself to another mind and the mutation will go on.
I doubt it can be reversed.

Life is not geared to destroy itself. No woman on earth would be attracted to procreate this type of male. It's not in the interest of the basic survival instincts of the human race.

It's laziness, these dogs just don't want to work, so they destroy what has taken effort in the past from others. If other resist, they kill them just because one does not agree with their distorted ideals?
Bullshit, utter bullshit.

The only "work" they know is to gang up, take arms from others and destroy.
What happens when they kill all the farmers? Cross over another border.

On their own, with no weapons they are just a piece crap that gets washed away in the rain.

I am not a religious person, but do have my spiritual ideals for personal well being, I have worked and contributed to society.

But this has gone far enough in Iraq, it is nothing short of similar atrocities of the Ottomans. The sooner this lazy mutation is eliminated, the better.

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Re: Coup in Iraq?
Reply #4 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

There's been conflicting reports - but what is clear is that the majority shiite block want Maliki gone - and Maliki is refusing to play ball, and has defiantly deployed loyal troops around Baghdad.

Quote:

raq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has resisted growing calls for his resignation and accused the country's new president of violating the constitution, plunging the government into political crisis as it battles the Islamic State group.

Shortly before his defiant speech on Sunday, Maliki deployed security forces and armed groups across the capital Baghdad, the AFP and Reuters news agencies reported.

"There is a huge security presence, police and army, especially around the Green Zone," a highly-protected district that houses Iraq's key institutions, a high-ranking police officer told AFP.

He said the deployment had started at about 10:30pm [1930 GMT], just 90 minutes before the speech.

Despite Maliki's announcement that he intended to run for a third-term as prime minister, a bloc comprising Iraq's biggest Shia parties is close to nominating a new prime minister, Reuters reported, citing the deputy speaker of parliament.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/iraq-pm-defiant-face-resignatio...

This is the wonderful Iraqi "democracy" on display: the democratically elected parliament moves to democratically nominate a new PM, and the current PM responds by deploying troops, and threatening violence.

Yet no one who has been following the increasingly authoritarian maneuvering by Maliki, which has resulted in the disaffected arab-sunnis being excluded from the democratic process - could be surprised by this latest stunt.

Watch this space...

Could this be the same group of disaffected arab-sunnis who for years under Saddam Hussain excluded Shias from the democratic process ? Is this the same group of disaffected arab-sunnis who have for years been pushing for civil war by blowing up shia mosques and market places ? Is this the same group of disaffected arab sunnis who are recruiting other arab sunnis from around the globe in an "Islamic Front" to exterminate every shia in Iraq and the entire middle east.

These people do not want democracy which is why they are hell bent on destroying it at any cost. if they are excluded from Iraq's democratic process it is by choice through their actions over the last ten years or so. Brutally murdering your opponents and warning the rest that they are next is not really part of a democratic solution. I always thought the best solution was to divide Irag into three parts. One for the Shias one for the Kurds and one for Sunnis. But based on the Sunni performance so far which is to either cut and run or cut and remove I am not so sure this would be a good idea.

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Re: Coup in Iraq?
Reply #5 - Aug 15^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

fractalign wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

Could this be the same group of disaffected arab-sunnis who for years under Saddam Hussain excluded Shias from the democratic process ? Is this the same group of disaffected arab-sunnis who have for years been pushing for civil war by blowing up shia mosques and market places ? Is this the same group of disaffected arab sunnis who are recruiting other arab sunnis from around the globe in an "Islamic Front" to exterminate every shia in Iraq and the entire middle east.

No - the baathists were baathists, and they included shiites as well as sunnis. The US made the same mistake you are making, and thought "de-baathification" meant "exclude all the sunnis" - with terrible and tragic consequences that continue to be felt today. The reality was that many sunnis suffered and were excludded by Saddam and his cronies just as much as the shiites.

fractalign wrote on Aug 15^th, 2014 at 6:21pm:

if they are excluded from Iraq's democratic process it is by choice through their actions over the last ten years or so. Brutally murdering your opponents and warning the rest that they are next is not really part of a democratic solution.

Umm you do realise that the shiites carried out their own terrorism/ethnic cleansing and massacres of the sunnis right? The same death squads and militias have been central in propping up the Maliki administration for so many years.

Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys in post-Saddam Iraq? Answer = no one, they all have blood on their hands.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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