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The naivety of our judiciary once again exposed
Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
"In 2005 Sharrouf was charged, along with eight other Sydney men, over the biggest terrorism plot in Australian history.

He was charged with possessing items to be used for a terrorist act – six clocks and 140 batteries he stole from a Big W store".


But then, incredibly, and beyond all human understanding, this monster is released back onto the streets by a judiciary that is stiff with sob-sisters of both genders.

"His symptoms were quite severe, he was quite delusional.

"He was overheard talking to other people when no-one was there. This was observed on quite a few occasions and it was a state of mind that persisted for some time.

"He was unfit to plead and that means in legal terms that he was simply incapable of understand what the court case would be about."


What utter nonsense. He was coached to put on this performance by his legal counsel. It was a no-brainer. It was an obvious ploy, and one that was easy to pretend to.

"Justice Whealy thinks nothing has changed.

"Sharrouf now says, of course, that he tricked everybody, but I don't believe that for a minute," he said.

"He was a very ill man and I believe he still is."


What a naive halfwit.

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If he was judged to be a 'chronic schizophrenic' with delusional psychopathy then why were his three young boys allowed to be in his care?
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Reply #1 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:33am
 
- What a naive halfwit. -


No argument.



Dumb.

Australians, are dumb, and naive.

We Australians have been taught [for decades!] from childhood, that to try to discriminate between good and evil, is a social crime.

The social engineers, and 'humanists', have done 'their work' well.


Today, 'discrimination' is a dirty word.

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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 8:12pm
 
Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:27pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?   Roll Eyes



I'll 'bite', Brian_Ross.        Smiley




Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?




We all make choices.

Our choices lead us to 'destinations' [and of course, to consequences].

Witness in recent days, the examples of Harriet Wran, and Robin Williams.



Brian Ross,

If we choose to tolerate evil, are we evil ?







Yadda said....
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If we tolerate evil, and wickedness, in our midst,
...we, ourselves, will become those, who are evil.

And tolerance of evil, is not 'tolerance'.

It is wickedness!

And today people just don't get that truth.

In fact most people will strenuously deny that logic.

No matter how many times we repeat the phrase,
"Tolerance is desirable, and good, and peaceable."
,
...our tolerance of what is clearly evil, is not a virtue.

Whenever we choose to be tolerant of evil [in our midst], it is certain, as night follows day, that we ourselves, will become evil.

Our 'tolerance' of evil, merely reveals the wickedness which is ALREADY within us!


And if you are a person who is "tolerant" of evil behaviour, DON'T KID YOURSELF,
...God hates you.



"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Karl Popper


"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann









Yadda said....
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And, it is only those who are immoral and depraved, who would seek a society where the 'norm' is, that others must, or should, accept their immoral behaviour.

And for the morally wicked person, a "socially just" society, is one without 'bias' or 'discrimination'.

Dictionary;
discrimination = =
1 the action of discriminating against people.
2 recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.   good judgement or taste.




To obtain "social justice" the morally wicked will push for anti-'discrimination' laws.

But a society which has abandoned all discernment between, what is morally good behaviour, and what is morally evil behaviour, is not a superior society, imo.

The depraved and the wicked want a society where;
It is no longer socially acceptable to discern between, what is morally good behaviour, and what is morally evil behaviour.
It is no longer socially acceptable to publicly express "intolerance" towards what is morally evil behaviour.
It is now only socially acceptable and 'politically correct' to publicly express "tolerance", towards what was once deemed to be morally unacceptable behaviour.


The depraved and the wicked want a society where everyone must be counted as equal, no matter their individual merit, or lack of, no matter their individual good behaviour, or lack of.

They agitate, not [particularly] against real injustice, but [particularly] against the 'injustice' of the advancement of those who have achieved their advancement through personal merit.

Today, in our society, "tolerance" of what would normally be seen as morally unacceptable behaviour, is acceptable behaviour.

Whereas, anyone who expresses support for the moral code which is promoted in the Bible, is an intolerant 'bigot', and is a bad and 'intolerant' person.


Does anyone recognise that some sort of moral inversion has happened here ?



Today, "tolerance" is the watchword, the slogan, of the morally corrupt.










Yadda said....
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We ourselves, are the 'gatekeepers' of our hearts.
We choose which spirits we allow [invite] into our hearts.
And nobody [and no spirit] can compel us, to join with them.
And no spirit can compel us to do what is evil.

No body compels us, to choose the evil.
When we choose the evil, we ourselves choose it.


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Re: The naivety of our judiciary once again exposed
Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:32pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?   Roll Eyes



I'll 'bite', Brian_Ross.        Smiley


Bite, indeed you did, Yadda.  Problem is you did not answer the question.   Roll Eyes  Care to take another stab at it?

Do you perceive mental illness sufferers as "evil"?

Simple question.  Simple answer.   Yes or no.  You don't have to explain yourself (yet), just answer the question. 

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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:32pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?   Roll Eyes



I'll 'bite', Brian_Ross.        Smiley


Bite, indeed you did, Yadda.  Problem is you did not answer the question.   Roll Eyes  Care to take another stab at it?

Do you perceive mental illness sufferers as "evil"?

Simple question.  Simple answer.   Yes or no.  You don't have to explain yourself (yet), just answer the question. 




Your just trying to play me.





Brian_Ross,

Evil ?

"And what is good, Phaedrus? And what is not good? Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"

Plato
found in, Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance




Brian_Ross,

Should those who are diagnosed as having a 'mental illness' be separated from the broader community ?

e.g.
Does a person like myself have a mental illness, IYO, and for the safety of society should a person like myself, be separated/removed from - and prevented from communicating with - the broader community ?


Cheesy


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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 11:29pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:32pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Yadda do you perceive sufferers of mental illness as "evil"?   Roll Eyes



I'll 'bite', Brian_Ross.        Smiley


Bite, indeed you did, Yadda.  Problem is you did not answer the question.   Roll Eyes  Care to take another stab at it?

Do you perceive mental illness sufferers as "evil"?

Simple question.  Simple answer.   Yes or no.  You don't have to explain yourself (yet), just answer the question. 




Your just trying to play me.


Do you need playing?   Roll Eyes

Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question, simply?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:40am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:06am:
"In 2005 Sharrouf was charged, along with eight other Sydney men, over the biggest terrorism plot in Australian history.

He was charged with possessing items to be used for a terrorist act – six clocks and 140 batteries he stole from a Big W store".


But then, incredibly, and beyond all human understanding, this monster is released back onto the streets by a judiciary that is stiff with sob-sisters of both genders.

"His symptoms were quite severe, he was quite delusional.

"He was overheard talking to other people when no-one was there. This was observed on quite a few occasions and it was a state of mind that persisted for some time.

"He was unfit to plead and that means in legal terms that he was simply incapable of understand what the court case would be about."


What utter nonsense. He was coached to put on this performance by his legal counsel. It was a no-brainer. It was an obvious ploy, and one that was easy to pretend to.

"Justice Whealy thinks nothing has changed.

"Sharrouf now says, of course, that he tricked everybody, but I don't believe that for a minute," he said.

"He was a very ill man and I believe he still is."


What a naive halfwit.

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If he was judged to be a 'chronic schizophrenic' with delusional psychopathy then why were his three young boys allowed to be in his care?


If it was a performance then why didnt the other suspects plead insanity?

He was diagnosed with a mental illness even before he got arrested on terrorism charges.
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:55am
 
If this piece of crap was schizophrenic he wouldn't be able to fight with the jihadists. I doubt he would be able to get medication over there and if schizophrenics don't take their meds they revert back to psychosis . He couldn't  stockpile medication because schizophrenic medication is handed out script to script.
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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:57am
 
wally1 wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:40am:
If it was a performance then why didnt the other suspects plead insanity?


Because that would have been too obvious. That would have blown his chances of being believed.

wally1 wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:40am:
He was diagnosed with a mental illness even before he got arrested on terrorism charges.


link please.


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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:58am
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:55am:
If this piece of crap was schizophrenic he wouldn't be able to fight with the jihadists. I doubt he would be able to get medication over there and if schizophrenics don't take their meds they revert back to psychosis . He couldn't  stockpile medication because schizophrenic medication is handed out script to script.


Very good point. I think you've nailed it.


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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:55am:
If this piece of crap was schizophrenic he wouldn't be able to fight with the jihadists. I doubt he would be able to get medication over there and if schizophrenics don't take their meds they revert back to psychosis . He couldn't  stockpile medication because schizophrenic medication is handed out script to script.


Unfortunately, there is a long history of those who were likely to be schizophrenic who have managed to fight and lead wars.  Forgotten Joan of Arc?  She portrayed many of the classic symptoms but was considered "touched by god"...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:17am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 9:40am:
Shakey wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:55am:
If this piece of crap was schizophrenic he wouldn't be able to fight with the jihadists. I doubt he would be able to get medication over there and if schizophrenics don't take their meds they revert back to psychosis . He couldn't  stockpile medication because schizophrenic medication is handed out script to script.


Unfortunately, there is a long history of those who were likely to be schizophrenic who have managed to fight and lead wars.  Forgotten Joan of Arc?  She portrayed many of the classic symptoms but was considered "touched by god"...   Roll Eyes
I have known people with schizophrenia and trust me on this, when psychotic they wouldn't even be able to load a magazine on a rifle. His kids are in trouble if so.
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Reply #13 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 12:56pm
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:55am:
If this piece of crap was schizophrenic he wouldn't be able to fight with the jihadists. I doubt he would be able to get medication over there and if schizophrenics don't take their meds they revert back to psychosis . He couldn't  stockpile medication because schizophrenic medication is handed out script to script.


Do you think the middle east have no pharmacies?There are pharmacies everywhere in the middle east.

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Reply #14 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 12:58pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:57am:
wally1 wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:40am:
If it was a performance then why didnt the other suspects plead insanity?


Because that would have been too obvious. That would have blown his chances of being believed.

wally1 wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 8:40am:
He was diagnosed with a mental illness even before he got arrested on terrorism charges.


link please.




Herbert, this is from the court documents, he saw multiple psychiatrists before his arrest.

There are reports from both Dr Olav Nielssen and Dr Bruce Westmore. Each of these gentlemen is a well-qualified and experienced psychiatrist. The reports of Dr Nielssen are dated 22 September 2005, 20 November 2007 and 12 February 2008.


13 In his first report, Dr Nielssen stated:

        “Mr  Sharrouf  is a 21 year (old) disability pensioner with three young children. He was subjected to physical abuse by his father and was affected by his father's desertion of the family during his early teenage years. He reported that his early performance at school was normal. There was a history of conduct disorder in adolescence and he did not return to school after being expelled in year 9. There was a history of substance abuse in adolescence that may have contributed to the onset of mental illness. He reported some employment as a labourer, but none since the onset of mental illness three years ago.

        Diagnosis of schizophrenia is made on the basis of the histories of typical symptoms of the illness, Mr  Sharrouf 's presentation at interview and the reports of his treating psychiatrist. He appears to have a fairly disabling form of the illness, in that it has resulted in significant impairment in his intellectual performance confirmed in psychological testing performed last year. Control of symptoms may have varied, depending on the dose of antipsychotic medication.

        Mr  Sharrouf  may also have developed epilepsy on the basis of the confirmed history of seizures in the last six months. Epileptic seizures are associated with exacerbations of symptoms of psychotic illness, particularly in the period after a seizure.”


14 Dr Nielssen recommended a treatment plan that would include continued close supervision. He suggested that the patient might need a higher dose of Olanzapine than 10 mgs per day.


15 Dr Nielssen saw the accused at his rooms shortly prior to his arrest in November 2005. He also spoke to the accused by AVL to Burwood Court in early March 2006. He then interviewed the accused on 16 November 2007 and provided a report dated 20 November 2007. For the purpose of this report, Dr Nielssen examined the Crown case statement and a summary of the overt acts provided by the Crown.


16 Dr Nielssen took a further history from the accused which revealed hallucinations and paranoid events particularly related to his experience in custody. The conclusion stated in the report was as follows:

        “On the basis of the symptoms reported by Mr  Sharrouf  and his presentation during the recent interview, I believe he is experiencing an acute exacerbation of his chronic mental illness. The further episode of illness is a direct consequence of ceasing treatment with antipsychotic medication some months ago.

        Mr  Sharrouf  reported hallucination of tastes, smells and visions that are often associated with temporal lobe epilepsy. There was a history of treatment in hospital after what were thought to be epileptic seizures...

        Mr  Sharrouf  is currently unfit for trial. The acute exacerbation of psychotic illness has resulted in gross impairment in all areas of intellectual function, in addition to the persecutory beliefs arising from the hallucinations. He would be unable to follow the proceedings or provide reliable instructions in what would clearly be a complex trial.”


17 Dr Nielssen recommended that the accused should be transferred to Long Bay Hospital for further investigation and intensive treatment with antipsychotic medication. He thought that, if the accused were to resume treatment, he should recover sufficiently to be considered fit for trial within three months.


18 The final report of Dr Nielssen was prepared following a further interview he had with the accused on 8 February 2008. Dr Nielssen said:

        “On the basis of the symptoms reported during the interview in November and alluded to by Mr  Sharrouf  during the recent interview, and his presentation during those interviews, I believe he is experiencing an acute exacerbation of the chronic mental illness schizophrenia...the further acute episode of illness was thought to be due to ceasing treatment with antipsychotic medication in the second half of 2007 and treatment with a relatively low dose of antipsychotic medication since his transfer to the MRRC...

        Mr  Sharrouf  remains unfit for trial, as he has gross impairment of all areas of intellectual function that would prevent him from following the proceedings, or providing reliable instructions in what would be a very complex matter.”


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