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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #120 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:32am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy.

It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Buddhism is the answer.
But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing" I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #121 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:54am Don't do drugs kids.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21786 A cat with a view	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #122 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:48am SweetLambo wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 12:54am: Don't do drugs kids. LOL
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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #123 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

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There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree.

When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state.

Then we’ll use your own measure. How many Muslims have you discussed this issue with?

Feel free to reply with an answer, FD.

I discussed the ideal Islamic state concept with Abu, Malik and a few of the earlier Muslims who were here. Gandalf seems to prefer baby steps.

In addition, the Pew survey asked many Muslims from around the world their opinion on the role of Shariah law in politics, going into some detail. The results are pretty daunting.
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy.

It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Buddhism is the answer.
But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing" I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

I think it will fare much worse. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny without the threat of death for anyone who takes it too far. Even in the west people are afraid to mock it or discuss it openly. It will be a long time before we see the Islamic equivalent of The Life of Brian or The Passion of the Christ, if the global violence in response to a backyard youtube video is anything to go by. Can you imagine how an honest portrayal of Muhammed executing 800 Jews in one day in a hollywood blockbuster would go down?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95926 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #124 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 8:52pm FD, we all know you talked to Abu and Falah - 7 years ago. Where’s your survey?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #125 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 8:55pm I think it was Malik, through I probably put the same question to Falah too. There's a dozen or so very long threads about that Pew survey on this forum, mostly Brian and Gandalf trying to explain away the results.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95926 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #126 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 8:57pm Interesting. You don’t want to link those threads?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #127 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article.
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #128 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm Nice to see the Islamic Blow Fly Kamel get a chop from Freediver. Now who said he never cared for all creatures great and small.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95926 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #129 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 2:23pm freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm: It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article. Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts. Would you like to post your research here?
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SweetLambo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1271	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #130 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm FD must a have dropped a another crumb from his table that was hahal ...
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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #131 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 3:35pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy.

It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Buddhism is the answer.
But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing" I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

Drawing a parallel between Islam and Christianity is completely spurious. Drawing it is imposing a reflex equivalence between two things that are defined by their essential and diametrical opposition on every theological and philosophical point that matter.

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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #132 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 4:27pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article.

Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts.

Would you like to post your research here?

It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up.

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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #133 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 6:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 9:01pm:

It's on the wiki Karnal. Check the faith ratchet article.

Just did, FD. I couldn’t find a reference to any actual research, just a lot of links to your own posts.

Would you like to post your research here?

It's not research Karnal. It's a survey of Muslim's opinions by the Pew society. I didn't even bring it up.

Yes, FD, but something tells me you don’t want me to read this research

Would you like to post a link so we can have a little look-see?

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Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Reply #134 - Aug 30^th, 2014 at 6:02pm

You brought it up in this post:

freediver wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 6:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

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There is, of course, nothing resembling any of this in the so-called Islamic State, as most Muslims will agree.

When I suggested they don't, your only counter-claim was that they have probably not even heard of the Islamic state.

Then we’ll use your own measure. How many Muslims have you discussed this issue with?

Feel free to reply with an answer, FD.

I discussed the ideal Islamic state concept with Abu, Malik and a few of the earlier Muslims who were here. Gandalf seems to prefer baby steps.

In addition, the Pew survey asked many Muslims from around the world their opinion on the role of Shariah law in politics, going into some detail. The results are pretty daunting.
NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy.

It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.

Buddhism is the answer.
But realisticly, Christianity has moved on from "justifying killing" I don't see pope francis or the archbishop of Canterbury as jihad inspiring figures.

Yes, Christianity has been quiesced over the last few centuries...

aquascoot wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

this will all end badly for the muslims.

Islamism will end, about that there is no doubt... Islam, however, like Christianity, will survive... about that there is also no doubt.

I think it will fare much worse. Islam cannot stand up to scrutiny without the threat of death for anyone who takes it too far. Even in the west people are afraid to mock it or discuss it openly. It will be a long time before we see the Islamic equivalent of The Life of Brian or The Passion of the Christ, if the global violence in response to a backyard youtube video is anything to go by. Can you imagine how an honest portrayal of Muhammed executing 800 Jews in one day in a hollywood blockbuster would go down?

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