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Reply #150 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:00am

Indeed, to love death as jihadism does is to say that it is beautiful to receive it and to risk it and that the most beautiful and saintly love is to distribute it. This putrid need of death is evident today across the Middle East.
If that's what jihadism at its fundamentalist core wanted, it got it. It is a form of political nihilism made possible by the sacralisation of violence.
This aspect of jihadism and the capacity of a version of Islam to play into the cult of death is not to desensitise youth to death (as some Western security analysts assert) but to sacralise it.
Before throwing more money at "extremism" and creating more sweeping government powers, the elected representatives of a secular democracy ought to do far more to defend a political way of life and target the promulgation and appeal of this potent and ultimately fascist death cult.
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Reply #151 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:24am

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:00am:

Indeed, to love death as jihadism does is to say that it is beautiful to receive it and to risk it and that the most beautiful and saintly love is to distribute it. This putrid need of death is evident today across the Middle East.
If that's what jihadism at its fundamentalist core wanted, it got it. It is a form of political nihilism made possible by the sacralisation of violence.

#1,
This aspect of jihadism and the capacity of a version of Islam to play into the cult of death is not to desensitise youth to death (as some Western security analysts assert)

#2,
but to sacralise it.

Before throwing more money at "extremism" and creating more sweeping government powers, the elected representatives of a secular democracy ought to do far more to defend a political way of life and target the promulgation and appeal of this potent and ultimately fascist death cult.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/security-sleeps-as-deat...

Exactly Soren.

ISLAM is a cancer on the human psyche, imo.

ISLAM causes mental instability [insanity], in every human being who embraces it.

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0iIMAGE....

The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.

Moslems, doing 'good works'.

Bringing Allah's peace to mankind. Tongue

Koran 9.123

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #152 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:40am

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:15am:

Political Islamism has been in decline for about 8 centuries. What you see recently is not some kind of revival. It is a last gasp.

As has political Christianity. Both religions are responding to modernity. The Islamists are one response. The erection of George W Bush was another. The Arab Spring was another too, and on and on it goes.

We can’t say now it’s a last gasp. You believe Freeedom is on an unstoppable momentum, but this is just the BBC/CNN view of the world. As media becomes more fragmented, we’ll see more extremist groups.

Global power is shifting. East Asia and the Middle East now have their own capital - almost enough to rival the Western financial centres. Hard power hasn’t shifted since the Cold War. Thus we find people taking up the new light weapons themselves - because they can.

There will be no last gasps. We might put down a spotfire in one region, but a new one will start in another. These fires are regional, ethnic, tribal, but they have a narrative that can be sold around the world. Ukrainians have returned to fight the Russians, just as Sunnis have gone to Iraq to fight for ISIS.

The last gasp, if you want, is the end of the Cold War - an edifice that in diplomatic and military terms, has not actually ended. The UN security Council still has all the Cold War players. As Putin has just pointed out, Russia is still one of the largest nuclear powers in the world.

The world needs a new model to respond to global security concerns. Coalitions of Willing powers are not enough. Look what they’ve done in Iraq.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #153 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:56am That's right, PB, and we no longer have interests, let alone enemies, only friends whose grievances we haven't yet accommodated.
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Reply #154 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:04am

Yadda wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:24am:

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:00am:

Indeed, to love death as jihadism does is to say that it is beautiful to receive it and to risk it and that the most beautiful and saintly love is to distribute it. This putrid need of death is evident today across the Middle East.
If that's what jihadism at its fundamentalist core wanted, it got it. It is a form of political nihilism made possible by the sacralisation of violence.

#1,
This aspect of jihadism and the capacity of a version of Islam to play into the cult of death is not to desensitise youth to death (as some Western security analysts assert)

#2,
but to sacralise it.

Before throwing more money at "extremism" and creating more sweeping government powers, the elected representatives of a secular democracy ought to do far more to defend a political way of life and target the promulgation and appeal of this potent and ultimately fascist death cult.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/security-sleeps-as-deat...

Exactly Soren.

ISLAM is a cancer on the human psyche, imo.

ISLAM causes mental instability [insanity], in every human being who embraces it.

Quote:

A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0iIMAGE....
http://thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/happy.jpg

The one holding the AK47 is - Abdullah - from Sydney, on his holy-days.

Moslems, doing 'good works'.

Bringing Allah's peace to mankind. Tongue

Koran 9.123

IMAGE SOURCE;

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

sadly

ABDULLAH from SYDNEY

.. is also holding the head.

not just the gun. Angry

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Reply #155 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:29am

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:56am:

That's right, PB, and we no longer have interests, let alone enemies, only friends whose grievances we haven't yet accommodated.

That's just it, old dear, we can only really have mutual interests with any state. In a post-Cold War world, the trick is to discover and recallibrate the balance of those interests.

Painting ISIS as just a crowd of Allah Uakbarring automatons fighting to the death is just silly. It's James Bond villain material. Utterly mediocre, even for you.

But having said that, the very point of this discussion is how to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, not how to live in harmony with them. And herein lies the problem.

Uncle (and the "Coalition") can't do it. It would start the Iraqi occupation all over again.

The Iraqi government can't do it. Their Sunni solidiers put down their weapons. An army of Shi'a soldiers would just create a new regional conflict. The winner? Iran.

The Kurds can't do it - with who's army? Who's weapons?

Surely a discussion about a problem should be about finding a solution. But, for yourself, it's just a way to vent your spleen in the usual futile, self-indulgent display of bile. Always, absolutely, never ever.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Reply #156 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:42am

Karnal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

But having said that, the very point of this discussion is how to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, not how to live in harmony with them. And herein lies the problem.

It takes a craven PB like you to agitate for finding a way "to live in harmony with" genocidal headhackers and rapists. There is no grievance to which the Islamic State is an acceptable response and therefore it should not be accommodated but wiped out.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #157 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:48am freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:15am: Political Islamism has been in decline for about 8 centuries. What you see recently is not some kind of revival. It is a last gasp. Are you participating in Francis Fukuyama's Nostradamus Award this year?
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Reply #158 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:50am

Soren wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:42am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:29am:

But having said that, the very point of this discussion is how to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, not how to live in harmony with them. And herein lies the problem.

It takes a craven PB like you to agitate for finding a way "to live in harmony with" genocidal headhackers and rapists. There is no grievance to which the Islamic State is an acceptable response and therefore it should not be accommodated but wiped out.

I know English is not your first language, old boy, but at least read the posts you’re vomiting on before posting a reply.

I could always blame Freud, I suppose.

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Reply #159 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:55am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 10:48am:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:15am:

Political Islamism has been in decline for about 8 centuries. What you see recently is not some kind of revival. It is a last gasp.

Are you participating in Francis Fukuyama's Nostradamus Award this year?

Well spotted. FD’s Freeeedom stance ir right out of Francis Fukuyama’s end of history thesis.

FD’s been fighting in the jungle so long, no one’s told him Fukuyama recanted it.

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Reply #160 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 1:51pm

The simple solution to this problem is to rope in Israel to deal with these sick f*&ks. It high time they started to pay back all the military aid the US keeps giving them in the form of military assistance. Clearly Isreal is a much better force militarily than the US. No need for them to commit ground troops just redeploy all the firepower they have been ruthlessly using against the Palestinians recently against ISIS instead.

The fact that Israel has no moral conscience when it comes to the use of overwhelming fire power against small forces would make them the perfect buffer against ISIS. After all, there is no other nation in the region that can beat them.

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Reply #161 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 3:15pm

fractalign wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

The simple solution to this problem is to rope in Israel to deal with these sick f*&ks. It high time they started to pay back all the military aid the US keeps giving them in the form of military assistance. Clearly Isreal is a much better force militarily than the US. No need for them to commit ground troops just redeploy all the firepower they have been ruthlessly using against the Palestinians recently against ISIS instead.

The fact that Israel has no moral conscience when it comes to the use of overwhelming fire power against small forces would make them the perfect buffer against ISIS. After all, there is no other nation in the region that can beat them.

Yes, that should work. Send in the Jews to start a war in the Middle East. Automatically, you'll unite Sunni and Shi'ah forces, inviting every nutcase around the world to Iraq to fight the War To End All Wars.

Even Yadda would sign up for that one. Send in the drones, eh?

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Reply #162 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 5:08pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 3:15pm:

fractalign wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

The simple solution to this problem is to rope in Israel to deal with these sick f*&ks. It high time they started to pay back all the military aid the US keeps giving them in the form of military assistance. Clearly Isreal is a much better force militarily than the US. No need for them to commit ground troops just redeploy all the firepower they have been ruthlessly using against the Palestinians recently against ISIS instead.

The fact that Israel has no moral conscience when it comes to the use of overwhelming fire power against small forces would make them the perfect buffer against ISIS. After all, there is no other nation in the region that can beat them.

Yes, that should work. Send in the Jews to start a war in the Middle East. Automatically, you'll unite Sunni and Shi'ah forces, inviting every nutcase around the world to Iraq to fight the War To End All Wars.

Even Yadda would sign up for that one. Send in the drones, eh?

its not a bad idea. hopefully russia and most of europe get involved, then africa
maybe even spray a few nukes in the oil rich desert.

wait 10 years and our minerals will be the worth a fortune with the middle east,africa and russia a wasteland.

chaos is an opportunity karnal, chaos is a ladder, we, the peoples republic of australia can climb this ladder and establish an empire of our own.

patriotism at its best.

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Reply #163 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 5:20pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 5:08pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 3:15pm:

fractalign wrote on Sep 1^st, 2014 at 1:51pm:

The simple solution to this problem is to rope in Israel to deal with these sick f*&ks. It high time they started to pay back all the military aid the US keeps giving them in the form of military assistance. Clearly Isreal is a much better force militarily than the US. No need for them to commit ground troops just redeploy all the firepower they have been ruthlessly using against the Palestinians recently against ISIS instead.

The fact that Israel has no moral conscience when it comes to the use of overwhelming fire power against small forces would make them the perfect buffer against ISIS. After all, there is no other nation in the region that can beat them.

Yes, that should work. Send in the Jews to start a war in the Middle East. Automatically, you'll unite Sunni and Shi'ah forces, inviting every nutcase around the world to Iraq to fight the War To End All Wars.

Even Yadda would sign up for that one. Send in the drones, eh?

its not a bad idea. hopefully russia and most of europe get involved, then africa
maybe even spray a few nukes in the oil rich desert.

wait 10 years and our minerals will be the worth a fortune with the middle east,africa and russia a wasteland.

chaos is an opportunity karnal, chaos is a ladder, we, the peoples republic of australia can climb this ladder and establish an empire of our own.

patriotism at its best.

Oh, at its best, dear. So much better to bump up the price of coking coal than get to work on designing and making things.

I'm surprised you haven't been snapped up as an advisor to the Abbott government.

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