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Reply #15 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:28am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter.
these chappies aren't a military threat.
they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it.
I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched.
he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50.

one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches.

the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak.

the viet cong, now they were brave.
these middle eastern men are cowards underneath.

they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks.
plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime.

How someone fights in war depends on the extent to which he believes in the cause he's fighting for.

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Reply #17 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:41am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their
weapons & surrendered to ISIS.

They were herded like cattle & all executed.

Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants...

Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

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Reply #18 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:43am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:09am:

north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter.
these chappies aren't a military threat.
they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it.
I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched.
he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50.

one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches.

the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak.

the viet cong, now they were brave.
these middle eastern men are cowards underneath.

they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks.
plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime.

How someone fights in war depends on the extent to which he believes in the cause he's fighting for.

Possibly.
I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers.
again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent.

I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them.
they have that esprit de corps.

this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training.
the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens.

ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country.

You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm.
the people then relax and focus.

you need this militarily and you need this politically.
the muslims need a strong man at the helm.
sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

I still cant work out why they replaced him, unless it was to engineer the current situation Wink

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the americans have been reading lao tzu Wink

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Reply #19 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:51am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

Possibly.
I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers.
again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent.

I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them.
they have that esprit de corps.

this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training.
the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens.

ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country.

You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm.
the people then relax and focus.

you need this militarily and you need this politically.
the muslims need a strong man at the helm.
sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

All peoples prefer a strong leader.

But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal... Arise, Ataturk!

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Reply #20 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:00am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their
weapons & surrendered to ISIS.

They were herded like cattle & all executed.

In my professional role I work with several Egyptians and an Iraqi, a Malaysian muslim (she converted purely to get a promotion in the civil service where you must be muslim but she eats pork Cheesy

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the muslim world is a true mish mash of hatreds.
the arabs detest the Persians. the arabs hate the Iranians and the Shiites in Iraq more than they hate the jews.
its a good balance, iran v Iraq was a fairly even war. the USA provided arms to both . again, I think the USA has played the whole area for fools (well you have to be a fool to be played like a fool).
the only guy who seemed to cotton on and show some intelligent planning was bin laden.

when the Saudis run out of oil money to bribe the USA with they will topple too and it will be a bloodbath.

Arab spring.....not going so well so far

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Reply #21 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:03am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

Possibly.
I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers.
again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent.

I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them.
they have that esprit de corps.

this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training.
the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens.

ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country.

You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm.
the people then relax and focus.

you need this militarily and you need this politically.
the muslims need a strong man at the helm.
sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

All peoples prefer a strong leader.

But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal... Arise, Ataturk!

ah, if only they could clone him.
without attaturk, it is highly likely the aussies would have gained the ascendency on day 2 at gallipolli, they rolled 10 km inland and attaturk rallied the retreating turks (many who were out of ammunition) and counterattacked driving the aussies back.

one wonders what the whole history of the region would be without this man.

truly a hero

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Reply #22 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:23am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:51am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:43am:

Possibly.
I think it also depends on the brotherhood love between the troops and the leadership of the officers.
again, ive discussed this already, in terms of being a good leader you have to be mindful of the underlings anxieties, you have to be self confident, you have to have respect, a touch of fear, you have to have discipline, you have to be consistent.

I doubt the US troops , particularly in recent fights like "the surge" in Iraq felt wholey committed to the cause. but they are wholey commited to the guy next to them.
they have that esprit de corps.

this has to be instilled by good confident leadership and hard training.
the muslims are all raw emotion and firing in the air and running around like headless chickens.

ive said it before and i'll say it again, this emotional style of leadership (the sort you get from the green senators) is death to a country.

You need a john wayne type character, a George patton at the helm.
the people then relax and focus.

you need this militarily and you need this politically.
the muslims need a strong man at the helm.
sadam, for all his faults was a strong man.

All peoples prefer a strong leader.

But strong leaders are less crucial when the people are inspired. It's crucial only when they are desperate or in despair. Kneel, Mustafa Kemal... Arise, Ataturk!

ah, if only they could clone him.
without attaturk, it is highly likely the aussies would have gained the ascendency on day 2 at gallipolli, they rolled 10 km inland and attaturk rallied the retreating turks (many who were out of ammunition) and counterattacked driving the aussies back.

one wonders what the whole history of the region would be without this man.

truly a hero

"I do not order you to fight, I order you to die."

In the arc of opposites, the rallying cries in war of a great leader and deranged demagogue are indistinguishable.

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Reply #23 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 9:11am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Last night on TV it showed that 1,700 Iraqi soldiers put down their
weapons & surrendered to ISIS.

They were herded like cattle & all executed.

Those soldiers underestimated the murderous zeal of ISIS militants...

Maybe they thought the mythical sense of Islamic brotherhood guided the judgement of their enemies.

Some people, bizarrely imagine that there is some virtue in ISLAM, and some virtue even within ISLAM's cadres.

That, is a delusion entertained even in the West, among many non-moslems.

TO SEE THAT DELUSION ON DISPLAY AMONG OUR OWN POLITICAL LEADERS IN THE WEST,
PLEASE, WATCH THIS YT VIDEO [below]....

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"Honest, ISLAM is the Religion of Peace"

, Tony Blair and George Bush

The Video That Made Pakistan Block YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCZfnpU1uc

Watch Tony Blair and George Bush in the opening of that YOUTUBE video, apologise to ISLAM and to moslems, post 9/11 - when they began their 'war on terror'.

Watch Tony Blair and George Bush declare to the world the bona fides of ISLAM as a peace loving religion.

"ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant religion....the acts of these people [Taliban, Al-Qaeda] are wholly contrary to the teachings of the Koran."

- Tony Blair

"I also want to speak tonight directly to moslems throughout the world. We respect your faith..... Its teachings are good and peaceful..."

- George Bush

Time has moved on, it is 2014, and Tony Blair and George Bush are both out of office.
But in exactly the same way that Tony Blair and George Bush refused to confront what ISLAM is, our political leaders in the West, today, are still 'leading us down the garden path'.
And our political leaders in the West, today, are still refusing to confront what ISLAM is.
And our political leaders are seeking to appease moslems and the moslem community.
Both our own political leaders, and the moslem community, are lying to the citizens of Western nations - about the nature and the character of ISLAM.

Strange times indeed.

Good [truth] is evil.

And evil is good.

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Reply #24 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 11:53am

The Nazi comparison to ISIS only works on the level of brutality. While they were both barbaric to unbelievers and dissidents, when the Nazis came to power they made Germany the leader in almost all fields. This is not to mention the rich cultural history of Germany as well. Now who are ISIS? A bunch of backward clowns who invent nothing, have no innovation, have no creative skills, have no great thinkers, have no great musicians ... they have nothing.

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Reply #25 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo.

Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #26 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 1:17pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo.

Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

And Mohammed's conduct [torturing a victim, 'grubbing' for the community's gold] was all perfect lawful.
[.....why didn't Mohammed consult Allah, and ask him, where the gold was ? "Allah is all knowing." ]

And Mohammed was Allah's favourite moslem - coz Mohammed was the most righteous of all moslems.

Cheesy

THE KORAN, on Mohammed.....

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct)
for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah."

Koran 33.21

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Reply #27 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

Islam has always contained mind boggling sadism, try reading Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq which is the earliest biography of Profit Mo.

Take note of the Chapter "Khaybar" where profit Mo ordered the torture of a jew so he would reveal the location of his tribes wealth,they lit a fire on his chest before chopping his head off.

hard for isis to follow that act.

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Reply #29 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Did someone say Nazi regime?

448 children killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, UN says

Abbott_Lies, <----- LIES

All of those children were moslem children.

Those children were all - HAMAS - child COMBATANTS.i

SEE THE IMAGES OF HAMAS CHILD COMBATANTS, AT THIS LINK.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1296163674/58#58

IMAGE....

DON'T BLAME ISRAEL.

BLAME HAMAS, FOR THE DEATH OF MOSLEM CHILDREN IN GAZA.

Quote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV:
'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood'

"Our children are our glory and honor,

they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,

and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-...

AND........

Quote:

"We love death.
The US loves life.
That is the difference between us two."

- Osama bin Laden, November 2001

Quote:

"The Jews love life, .....they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah

Quote:

".....On the one hand, Israeli culture values life in all its aspects, including the sanctity of the life of others. Their soldiers take risks to spare civilians on the other side, unprecedented in the history of warfare. Aware of Israeli inhibitions, Jihadi groups use their own people as human shields in fighting the Israelis.
Over the last few years, these Jihadi groups have developed a full-blown death cult in which they raise their children to want to die killing others."

Quote:

"We have discovered how to hit the Jews where they are the most vulnerable. The Jews love life, so that is what we shall take away from them. We are going to win, because they love life and we love death."

Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah

Quote:

"Our blood is cheap compared with the cause which has brought us together and which at moments separated us, but shortly we will meet again in heaven…"

Yasser Arafat (Maariv, Oct. 4, 1996)

Quote:

"Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and [even] call it heroism and martyrdom?"

Tunisian intellectual Al-Afif Al-Akhdar

Those "...we love death" quotes, above, were sourced here...
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/08/02/501/

Google;
jihad - "we love death"

Google;
muslims "we love death"

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