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Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name
Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am

From Canon Andrew White - The respected 'Vicar of Baghdad' says this :

I spoke to one woman who had survived the massacres in Qaraqosh. She had a bandaged left hand. When IS soldiers could not remove her gold wedding ring, they had simply hacked off her finger. She wept as she told me.

The refugees are now penniless, robbed of their homes and possessions. Christian houses were daubed with the letter ‘N’ for Nazere and given to Muslim families.

I met Hana, who used to be the caretaker of my church in Baghdad, and fought to stay dry-eyed as he told me the fate of his youngest son, aged five. The boy was chopped in half in front of Hana’s eyes during an IS attack

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2720983/Vicar-Baghdad-We-need-military...

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

What should the West do? Support the Kurds in their quest for an independent Kurdistan... Arm them and defend them... Put pressure on all middle eastern nations (particularly Turkey) to recognise the right of Kurdistan to exist.

Kurdistan is a psychological oasis within a desert of Islamic, medieval monarchical and dictatorial psychopathy.

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Reply #1 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

History will not be kind on George W Bush.
It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

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Reply #2 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:20am

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

History will not be kind on George W Bush.
It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

History may not be kind on Bush, Blair, Howard and others, but, to date, only Blair has been confronted by his own people. Bush and Howard have either been 'forgiven' or their involvement in the affair 'put away privily' by their respective nation.

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Shakey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 905 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #3 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.
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Reply #4 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:37am

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

History is against you on that one...

To legitimise IS is to appease them.

Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe.

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Reply #5 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:42am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

History is against you on that one...

To legitimise IS is to appease them.

Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe.

Religious nuts never prosper. Look what happened with the Taliban. These people are worse. They won't make it to Europe in numbers. We'll get small groups of the ones already in our countries.

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Reply #6 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:09pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

History will not be kind on George W Bush.
It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

Exactly. Muslims hacking each others heads off in the middle east always reflects poorly on western leaders.

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Reply #7 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:37am:

Shakey wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:27am:

What they should do is when the Islamic state becomes legit put massive sanctions on it and then let it rot. They'll spend their time praying and will have no decent economy so it shouldn't be hard. When they start starving they'll start fighting amongst themselves.

History is against you on that one...

To legitimise IS is to appease them.

Emboldened by the lightning success of their latter day 'blitzkrieg', they will consider themselves 'ordained by god' (Gott mit uns) to export the war to the whole region and then into Europe.

Religious nuts never prosper. Look what happened with the Taliban. These people are worse. They won't make it to Europe in numbers. We'll get small groups of the ones already in our countries.

Religious fanaticism often prospers initially... Look what happened to the Taliban you ask? The Afghan government and it's successors is now and will be forced to negotiate with the Taliban.

Unfortunately there is and always will be a psychological mindset that craves rigid constraint on thought, social interaction and culture.

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Reply #9 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 1:09pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 11:14am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

And just as Nazism rose from the ashes of a Germany humiliated and bankrupted by the Versailles Treaty, then appeased by the guilt-ridden Allied powers, so ISIS has risen as a result of the destruction brought upon Iraq by the 'Coalition of the Willing' which was followed by ham-fisted attempts to install a 'democratic' regime that has largely failed the people of Iraq.

Most of Iraq, however, is a basket-case which cannot be 'fixed' by the West.

History will not be kind on George W Bush.
It is also a bleak confirmation of the failure of right wing policies of invasion, shock and awe, and regime change. I have often thought that the reason right wing conservatives hate islam so much is that they have so much in common with them.

Exactly. Muslims hacking each others heads off in the middle east always reflects poorly on western leaders.

Hi FD,

watch this on soon tonight:

Quote:

Mad Dog: Inside the Secret World of Muammar Gaddafi

8.34pm - 10.02pm
ABC2 / ABC4
Tonight

Gaddafi's story is a study of absolute power, told not by politicians but by those who served the late Libyan leader whose rule, underpinned by massive oil revenue, was amongst the most unforgiving of any modern despot.

http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=317299&event_id=62397265&re...

Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #10 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:06pm: Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East. Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.
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Reply #11 - Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Whether it's ISIS or a despot it seems to make no difference in the Middle East.

Unimaginable cruelty and mind-boggling sadism has become as (quasi and frankly) fetishistic in the middle east as it was with the Nazi SS in concentration camps.

It's true - watch ABC2 tonight for the proof.

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Reply #12 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:22am

The nazis were infected with a small core of sadistic monsters , for sure.

But don't forget , the Wehrmacht were possibly the greatest army ever to walk the earth and Rommel, Model, kesselring, von runstedt , etc were military geniuses and highly moral men of culture from the Prussian military academies.

Isis have no Wehrmacht, they are rabble,

They will become target practice for US drones.

10 apache longbows could wipe the lot out.
America is being slow because the Isis are so stupid as to be posting be headings on you tube and building world sentiment against them. The nazis never would have let aushwitz go on you tube. Goebels understood the power of advertising.

The Middle East is just desert, the world has turned it's back on oil, there should soon be civil war in Saudi, Yemen, Egypt,
For all we know Qatar, the richest country on earth may not hold that position for long

The spread thru Europe will stop
The whites will be fed continuous images of this brutality and they'll say not in my backyard,
I'd advise moderate European Muslims to convert to Christianity or to atheism in double quick time

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Reply #13 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:52am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 6:22am:

The nazis were infected with a small core of sadistic monsters , for sure.

But don't forget , the Wehrmacht were possibly the greatest army ever to walk the earth and Rommel, Model, kesselring, von runstedt , etc were military geniuses and highly moral men of culture from the Prussian military academies.

Isis have no Wehrmacht, they are rabble,

They will become target practice for US drones.

10 apache longbows could wipe the lot out.
America is being slow because the Isis are so stupid as to be posting be headings on you tube and building world sentiment against them. The nazis never would have let aushwitz go on you tube. Goebels understood the power of advertising.

Yes, there is that myth about the Wehrmacht. I think you need to find out more about the atrocities committed by them.

Mein Kampf publicly defined Hitler's intentions towards the 'untermenschen' he believed were a fifth column in German society.

No public displays? Kristallnacht? 9–10 November 1938... Also called by Nazis 'Martin Luther's birthday present'.

Very public displays of Jewish persecution began in Germany, Sudetenland, Austria, Czechoslovakia, then Poland years before the 'final solution'.

In Linz, Austria, Mauthausen concentration camp ran from the Anschluss in 1938 until May 1945 and was well known to the people of Linz from the beginning. All locals knew of its existence and most approved of it... Check out the 'Mauthausen Rabbit Chase'.

The Nazis did make an effort to conceal the full truth of their crimes, but it was done mainly through intimidation against speaking of them by the local population.

Fast forward 70 years, into a communication age unparalleled in history, it is entirely understandable that a modern Nazist regime would not and could not, hide their crimes as they may have been able to 70 years earlier.

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Reply #14 - Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:09am

north, if Rommel was in the desert now, he'd roll through ISIS like a hot knife through butter.
these chappies aren't a military threat.
they are OK at hacking heads off civilians but that's about it.
I remember storman norman talking about anticipated losses when desert storm 1 was launched.
he estimated in the 10,000 vicinity. I think they lost about 50.

one yank with a bulldozer just rolled along the Iraqi front line burying the enemy in their trenches.

the muslims aren't the greatest fighters on earth. in fact, they're pretty piss weak.

the viet cong, now they were brave.
these middle eastern men are cowards underneath.

they'll be taken out when it suits the yanks.
plenty of time to sell arms to the Saudis and make a profit in the meantime.

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