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Reply #90 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:38am

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As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent

Ummm no. You'll find that they're quite some time away from being energy independent - especially when it comes to their oil requirements. You might be able to claim that in a couple of decades, but most certainly not now.

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Reply #91 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 12:37pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

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As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent

Ummm no. You'll find that they're quite some time away from being energy independent - especially when it comes to their oil requirements. You might be able to claim that in a couple of decades, but most certainly not now.

Yeah, they'll depend on Canada for a few more years.....

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Reply #92 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Its not a failure if your goal was to create a failed region.

Its not a gamble when you have whole regions in America which would go under without pentagon spending.

As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent.
Oil is a bit of a yawn to them at the moment.

if the middle east could start up a silicon valley or a Hollywood , they might provide competition for American industry and cause the "great satan" some economic pain.
this would seem somewhat unlikely Wink

Bush's plan was not to fail... He's a "born again" bumbling religious zealot who unfortunately is also a halfwit.... An unfortunate mix.

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

Bush does not have now nor had then the intellectual capacity to comprehend the history of the region (although the British did try to warm him) and the existence of the 'Islamist sleeping dragons' of the region which, when woken, will scorch the earth and murder anyone... Muslim, Christian, ethnic minority... whoever...

The reason the region's Monarchies and secular dictatorships are psychopathic is because of these 'Islamist sleeping dragons'.

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Reply #93 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:36pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

Its not a failure if your goal was to create a failed region.

Its not a gamble when you have whole regions in America which would go under without pentagon spending.

As, I say, the USA thanks to fraccing and shale oil extraction is energy independent.
Oil is a bit of a yawn to them at the moment.

if the middle east could start up a silicon valley or a Hollywood , they might provide competition for American industry and cause the "great satan" some economic pain.
this would seem somewhat unlikely Wink

Bush's plan was not to fail... He's a "born again" bumbling religious zealot who unfortunately is also a halfwit.... An unfortunate mix.

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

Bush does not have now nor had then the intellectual capacity to comprehend the history of the region (although the British did try to warm him) and the existence of the 'Islamist sleeping dragons' of the region which, when woken, will scorch the earth and murder anyone... Muslim, Christian, ethnic minority... whoever...

The reason the region's Monarchies and secular dictatorships are psychopathic is because of these 'Islamist sleeping dragons'.

no problems there for george.
let them murder each other. just as long as they arent killing yanks.
oh, that journo, oops.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #94 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:45pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:36pm: no problems there for george. let them murder each other. just as long as they arent killing yanks. oh, that journo, oops. Big problems there for George!!
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #95 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:48pm And big problems for Europe and Australia... More desperate refugees.
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Reply #96 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

I wouldn't be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred.

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Reply #97 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

I wouldn't be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred.

We are in rare agreement. I recommend to anyone Bob Woodwards series of books. Dealing not only with the initial drivers but the completely botched occupation at the hands of Bremer compounded by the antipathy between Condy and Rumsfeld.

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Reply #98 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:29pm

Datalife wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 3:59pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

There's no doubt this creature thought he could install a vassal regime in Iraq that would be, prima facie, democrat yet a client of the US.

Stupid is a stupid does!

I wouldn't be giving too much credit to Bush himself for the great democracy project in Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith and others associated with Project for the New American Century (PNAC) were the main drivers, and to be fair to Bush, he resisted them until the 2001 events occurred.

We are in rare agreement. I recommend to anyone Bob Woodwards series of books. Dealing not only with the initial drivers but the completely botched occupation at the hands of Bremer compounded by the antipathy between Condy and Rumsfeld.

The buck stops with the fool at the top signing it in.

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Reply #99 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:15pm

Islam in the Middle East, particularly, has degraded into Islamism... An ideology for psychopathy that can only be challenged by the regimes that oppose it which, inevitably, must become ultimately and equally as psychopathic in their quest for predominance...

Islamism, like Nazism and Stalinist communism, are not capable of negotiation with anything the democratic west has to offer.

Containment from within its geographical heartland by that region's native peoples is the only solution to its quiescence... Not its destruction (which is impossible), but its quiescence.

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Reply #100 - Aug 25^th, 2014 at 11:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Aug 25^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Islam in the Middle East, particularly, has degraded into Islamism...

Really ?

Your apparent argument that somehow ISLAM does not equal 'ISLAMISM', is a wildly irrational position to be 'broadcasting' in a public forum in these days, isn't it ?

You are effectively saying that the 'moslems' that we know [e.g. moslems in Australia] are NOT 'ISLAMISTS', and that - every moslem - can be lawfully excused for choosing to embrace ISLAM, .....even though it can be demonstrated that it is - in fact - 'mainstream' ISLAM which promotes the idea that the murder of those who do not belong to that group, can be considered to be a lawful act !!

NorthOfNorth,

Come on!

ISLAM does equal 'ISLAMISM' !!

So why are you,
1/ continuing to choose to excuse moslems for choosing to maintain a dependent relationship with ISLAM,
and,
2/ continuing to refuse to acknowledge that ISLAM is a murderous cult [a philosophy which makes murder a 'lawful' act, for the moslem] ?

Simply put,

mainstream ISLAM 'sanctifies' LAWLESSNESS in man

, and makes acts of LAWLESSNESS, 'lawful' - for the moslem!

NorthOfNorth,

Why do you continue, and continue, and continue to REFUSE to confront that truth ?

NorthOfNorth,

You have lost your way.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335652989/105#105

NorthOfNorth,

ISLAM has always been a philosophy which insists that the moslem [the person who is subjugated by ISLAM] must uncritically obey his religion [i.e. obey the leaders of his community and instruction of ISLAM's clerics].

Are you going to argue that such a proposition is in error ?

Are you going to argue the proposition that ISLAM does NOT equal 'ISLAMISM' ????????

"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

ISLAM does NOT equal 'ISLAMISM' ????????

And ISLAM has always been a philosophy which insists that the devout moslem must inflict murder and violence [as ISLAM's proxy in the world] against those who reject ISLAM's authority over the lives of every man woman and child on the planet.

"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #101 - Aug 26^th, 2014 at 2:14pm I will ignore the pipe dreams of religious rivals. Religion, be it Islam, Christianity... whatever... Is ineradicable... The best that can be hoped for is that is can be quiesced such that it becomes non-evangelistic and passive.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #102 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:26pm The 'Islamic State' (Islamism) like 'Christendom' before it, (and then onetime alongside it), is the frank expression of religious psychopathy. It justifies the killer, latent to varying degrees in all of us, waiting for whatever passes for legitimacy to express itself.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #103 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:40pm Two lazy equivocations in a row, North. Must do better.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Islamic State - A 'Nazist Reich' in all but name Reply #104 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:57pm Soren wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:40pm: Two lazy equivocations in a row, North. Must do better. I say, dear boy, you don’t think justifying the killer in all of us sums your world view up to a tee? In the words of the poetess, please explain.
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