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Sharpening a chainsaw's chain has its mysteries ..
Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:03pm
 
Primarily: They don't want you to know the angle of the cutting edge to be sharpened.

My Ozito Chainsaw's Instruction Manual says nothing about the angle.

The Googled info of my chainsaw says nothing about what the angle is.

There is no embossed marking on my chainsaw chain to let me know what the angle is.

On the packet of a chainsaw chain I bought a while back there is no info about the angle the cutting edge must be sharpened at.

Other searches on Google just vaguely give the information that the angle is anything from 10 degs to 36 degs.

Unbelievable.

In fact it's criminal.

I'm thinking of blacking-up and going on a rampage of looting through my local shopping strip.
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Reply #1 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:08pm
 
I can give them a touch up with a file if I need to, but I prefer to have the mower shop do it with their machine.
Thus I keep 3 or 4 chains and when I'm on the last one I put them in for sharpening.

PS I might add, another plus for having an expert do them is he can spot when it's time to ditch a chain that I might not see.
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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:20pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:08pm:
I can give them a touch up with a file if I need to, but I prefer to have the mower shop do it with their machine.
Thus I keep 3 or 4 chains and when I'm on the last one I put them in for sharpening.


I have a professional chainsaw chain sharpener. The round file-type that goes in an electric drill proved to be useless as bras on a bull.

Bought it from Bunnings for under $50. Hell of a bargain.

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But incredibly nowhere can I find a note about the angle the cutting edge should be ground at.

This calls for a beheading.
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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 4:43pm
 
So, since my links to User Meters for Windows 7 hasn't worked out, you have decided to use your chainsaw on THE COMPUTER?

A bit drastic, don't you think, Herbie?
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:08pm:
I can give them a touch up with a file if I need to, but I prefer to have the mower shop do it with their machine.
Thus I keep 3 or 4 chains and when I'm on the last one I put them in for sharpening.

PS I might add, another plus for having an expert do them is he can spot when it's time to ditch a chain that I might not see.


Correctamundo, Bogie.

You [b]can[/b] dress a chain yourself, if you have the info and tools to do so.

But it is far more time and cost-effective to do as you do.

The shop can do in minutes what may take you a couple of hours, and with far more accuracy.

Also, it's a good idea to get them to grind the edges of the bar back to true every so often as
well, and remove any dags which may have formed. And check the sprocket/clutch at the same
time, they don't last forever.

My family owned a chain-saw/mower/bicycle dealership for many years, so I do know what I'm
on about, for the info of anyone who feels like trolling...
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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:15pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:20pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 3:08pm:
I can give them a touch up with a file if I need to, but I prefer to have the mower shop do it with their machine.
Thus I keep 3 or 4 chains and when I'm on the last one I put them in for sharpening.


I have a professional chainsaw chain sharpener. The round file-type that goes in an electric drill proved to be useless as bras on a bull.

Bought it from Bunnings for under $50. Hell of a bargain.

link

But incredibly nowhere can I find a note about the angle the cutting edge should be ground at.

This calls for a beheading.



Here's a novel idea... have you actually asked the repair-shop man?

This info isn't a trade secret, no reason why he wouldn't tell you.
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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
This is what the dealers use... this one's from Stihl (our dealership was Stihl)
and can be yours for a piddling $NZ825.00.

It sharpens at any angle, and by changing the wheel and a few settings, makes
accurate depth-gauge setting a piece of p1ss. This is basically what my dad had.

Not worth it for the average home user, but essential if you own a saw shop.

BTW, here's a bit of interesting trivia for you: It was actually Andreas Stihl who
invented the chain-saw in 1928. He later became a Nazi during the war, but held
onto his company when the war ended. The rest is history, with Stihl being one
of the most highly-regarded companies in its field.
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
Neferti wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 4:43pm:
So, since my links to User Meters for Windows 7 hasn't worked out, you have decided to use your chainsaw on THE COMPUTER?

A bit drastic, don't you think, Herbie?


Tongue

As no one could solve the Usage Meter question, do you now understand a little better why I ask such questions here as a last resort? I do a lot of research before I finally open a thread here hoping to fluke it that somebody just might know the answer.


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Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm
 
Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Get the pros to do the job ... quicker and more accurate.


Rabid nonsense. Use the froth to shave with.

I've sharpened two of my chains in very quick time with the machine in the link that I provided.

I pushed the tooth against the side of the grinding wheel to set the angle ~ but I want to know exactly what the official angle degree is for future sharpenings.

I say again: the sharpening of the teeth was surprisingly fast and easy due to the machine being designed for that purpose.

Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Also, it's a good idea to get them to grind the edges of the bar back to true every so often as
well,


Good point. You've redeemed yourself. Temporarily.

Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
My family owned a chain-saw/mower/bicycle dealership for many years, so I do know what I'm
on about, for the info of anyone who feels like trolling...


Ah! Just the man I want to see.

Question: what is the angle of the cutting edge of an Ozito chainsaw chain for a 14" (355mm) Guide Bar?

Pitch: 0.375mm  ...  52 links.

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Reply #9 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:22pm
 
I haven't had one long even though I should have bought one twenty years ago, and haven't sharpened it yet. How do you best judge it needs a service or sharpening at a specialist?

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Reply #10 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 2:04am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:31pm:
Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Get the pros to do the job ... quicker and more accurate.


Rabid nonsense. Use the froth to shave with.

I've sharpened two of my chains in very quick time with the machine in the link that I provided.

I pushed the tooth against the side of the grinding wheel to set the angle ~ but I want to know exactly what the official angle degree is for future sharpenings.

I say again: the sharpening of the teeth was surprisingly fast and easy due to the machine being designed for that purpose.

Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Also, it's a good idea to get them to grind the edges of the bar back to true every so often as
well,


Good point. You've redeemed yourself. Temporarily.

Kat wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
My family owned a chain-saw/mower/bicycle dealership for many years, so I do know what I'm
on about, for the info of anyone who feels like trolling...


Ah! Just the man I want to see.

Question: what is the angle of the cutting edge of an Ozito chainsaw chain for a 14" (355mm) Guide Bar?

Pitch: 0.375mm  ...  52 links.

Cool



No idea, been out of the game too long, and won't guess in case I'm
wrong. And as you've noticed, they're not all the same.

But, as I said earlier, why not ask the local dealer?

Not some kid at Bunnings or Magnet Mart (they won't know), but a
specialist dealer.


OH! Hang on! Hold the bus!

Just realised, I will be within a block or so of one of our local dealers
tomorrow.

I'll try to pop in and find out, for you.

IF all else fails, go for between 25 and 30 degrees, this would be fairly
close one way or the other, and will at least get you out of the poo until
you/I can get the correct figures for angle and depth gauge height. But
whichever, do keep the angle consistent throughout the chain.
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Reply #11 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 2:20am
 
skippy. wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
I haven't had one long even though I should have bought one twenty years ago, and haven't sharpened it yet. How do you best judge it needs a service or sharpening at a specialist?




Some reasons:

When your tooth angles are all over the place. When you can't cut even with a
sharp chain because the depth gauges are too high. When the saw wants to
curve the cut one way or the other. When the chain stretches enough to need
shortening by a link (can happen on an old chain, or one which was a tad too
long to start with).

With time, experience, and/or a couple of quick lessons from someone who's 'in
the know' and the right tools, you can do most of it yourself. Even truing the bar
is a piece of p1ss if you have a bench-grinder (no, an angle grinder will not 'do').

Basic routine servicing can be done yourself (cleaning the air filter etc) but most
mech repairs are best left to the service-man, especially if your saw is still
(Stihl) under warranty. Most saws require special tools for any major work and
some of these can be quite expensive and not worth buying unless you're using
them regularly. Your local repair-man isn't likely to be lending you his, either.

Also saws, like laptop computers, are designed to be as small and light as possible
so, like a laptop, they aren't always easy to dismantle or re-assemble without the
risk of doing damage if you're not sure what you're doing. One, for example (the
Solo 640 and its derivatives) requires splitting the crank-case to replace the fuel
filter!!
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Reply #12 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
I have a Stihl MS 250 and the Instruction Manual states that the sharpening angle is 30.

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Reply #13 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:46am
 
George_Orhell wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 8:52am:
I have a Stihl MS 250 and the Instruction Manual states that the sharpening angle is 30.



I went online for a bit of a look earlier, and most seem to be between
25 and 30, George, so if he goes 30 he should be fine.

It will certainly be close enough for the saw to be usable, and it can
always be corrected next time the chain is sharpened if it's not exact.

Re the MS250, looked it up as well, nice saw.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 12:01pm
 
I used to have a Stihl, in fact had a couple of them, but I've got a little Italian job now - Echo or something. Beautiful machine.
You can do your basic servicing but it pays, as Gatto says, to get the expert, if he's reliable, to do it occasionally to spot problems.
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