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During the recent Gaza conflict, a number of Egypt
Aug 18th, 2014 at 11:06pm
 
TWO YOUTUBE VIDEOS...


During the recent Gaza conflict,
     a number of Egyptian TV commentators have been exposing the hypocrisy of the Hamas leadership...

[9-12-July-2014]
"You can see how Khaled Mashal [Hamas supremo] is waging Jihad in Qatar." [Khaled Mashal is seen in the video, seated in a plush Qatar hotel eating a sumptuous meal. And we see other scenes of Khaled Mashal 'waging Jihad in Qatar', in the comfort of a plush Qatar hotel.]

#1,
Egyptian TV Hosts Slam Hamas Leaders: We Are Sick and Tired of You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo



[16-July-2014]
An Egyptian TV commentator explains;
So as to prevent continuing civilian casualties in Gaza....everybody supported the [early] Gaza ceasefire proposals - everyone except Hamas.
An Egyptian TV commentator poses this question to the world;
Why was that ?

During all of its early ceasefire 'negotiations' Hamas presented 10 non-negotiable demands, which would have to be met, before Hamas would accede to the proposed Gaza ceasefire.
The Egyptian TV commentator posits, that essentially, the Hamas 'negotiating' position was always... 
"If you don't give us what we want......We don't care how many Palestinians die."


The Egyptian TV commentator goes on to lampoon Hamas, as fantasists,     ....over one particular Hamas demand.
In that Hamas, in their demands before agreeing to a Gaza ceasefire, included a demand that Egypt, VOID EGYPTIAN SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE RAFAH BORDER CROSSING, ...INTO EGYPT.
Hamas demanded [that before agreeing to a Gaza ceasefire], that Hamas along with "a friendly country" [i.e. a country that would be nominated by Hamas], together, supervise the Rafah border crossing, INTO EGYPT.

On that demand, the Egyptian TV commentator posited;
"....Someone who suggests such things belongs in an asylum. This is deranged."

#2,
Egyptian TV Host Osama Mounir to Hamas Leaders: Dream on! You Belong in a Mental Asylum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xuYcjubV7I




I hope that many of the people of Gaza have access to these YOUTUBE videos, and that they will eventually find and view them.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:45am
 
This is what I would like to hear from our own Dear Leaders of the ' vast majority of etc' Muslims.
Instead they boycott meetings with the PM even though he went out of his way to reassure them that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.
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Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:00am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:45am:
This is what I would like to hear from our own Dear Leaders of the ' vast majority of etc' Muslims.
Instead they boycott meetings with the PM even though he went out of his way to reassure them that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


This is what you get when dumb foreigners who have no knowledge at all of local political issues open their mouths. The old boy has all the self-awareness of a fat Amerikan tourist on package tour.

Yes, old chap, there are french fries with the kebabs. Would you care for an invasion?
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Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:40am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:00am:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:45am:
This is what I would like to hear from our own Dear Leaders of the ' vast majority of etc' Muslims.
Instead they boycott meetings with the PM even though he went out of his way to reassure them that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


This is what you get when dumb foreigners who have no knowledge at all of local political issues


What are the "local political issues" that keep the Dear Leaders from acknowledging their part in the problem?

"Islamic State" - one of these words closely relates to them and specifically the source of their livelihood.

Which one?


Hint: it's not 'state'.



ALso: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1408621746/66#66
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Re: During the recent Gaza conflict, a number of Egypt
Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:55am
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:40am:
"Islamic State" - one of these words closely relates to them


Good point S. In fact I think I'll create a new group of rapists and head hackers and call it "Danish Trollers" - and thereby automatically making you responsible for them.

The only difference in this case is that both words are related, not just one.  Cheesy
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:23am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:55am:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:40am:
"Islamic State" - one of these words closely relates to them


Good point S. In fact I think I'll create a new group of rapists and head hackers and call it "Danish Trollers" - and thereby automatically making you responsible for them.

The only difference in this case is that both words are related, not just one.  Cheesy

No.
The most significant difference is that no atrocities are being committed in the name of Denmark. You know why? Because Denmark, like Australia, is not an ideology, like Islam is.

That's the BIG diff. 

But I am sure you do not see that.




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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:38am
 
Didn't Denmark commit atrocities in Greenland?
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 2:06pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:40am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:00am:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:45am:
This is what I would like to hear from our own Dear Leaders of the ' vast majority of etc' Muslims.
Instead they boycott meetings with the PM even though he went out of his way to reassure them that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin'.


This is what you get when dumb foreigners who have no knowledge at all of local political issues


What are the "local political issues" that keep the Dear Leaders from acknowledging their part in the problem?


Try the sort of local political issues that made you froth at the mouth to invade Iraq in the first place. You thought Saddam was a Jihadist. Shurely shome mishtake.

Oh well, we all make mishtakes.

Live and let live, eh?
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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:03pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:23am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:55am:
Soren wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:40am:
"Islamic State" - one of these words closely relates to them


Good point S. In fact I think I'll create a new group of rapists and head hackers and call it "Danish Trollers" - and thereby automatically making you responsible for them.

The only difference in this case is that both words are related, not just one.  Cheesy

No.
The most significant difference is that no atrocities are being committed in the name of Denmark. You know why? Because Denmark, like Australia, is not an ideology, like Islam is.

That's the BIG diff. 

But I am sure you do not see that.



Looks like the old boy's been reading Althusser on ideology. Repressive State Aparatuses, Ideological State Aparatuses, all that. Ideologies underpin belief systems - they are not systems of belief in themselves. Ideologies are largely unconscious. Ideological forces such as race, class and gender disguise themselves. Being revealed threatens ideologies.

Shouting Allah Uakbar while you blow something up is definitely an ideological action, but your stated reason for doing so is a conscious rationale, not an ideology. That’s the BIG diff that the old boy doesn’t want you to see.

Calling for the carpet-bombing of entire populations based on their cultural/religious beliefs is also ideological. It's done for the sole purpose of providing pleasure or relieving anxiety - a form of shadenfreud with no conscious purpose or plan.

Any proposed rationale is merely an afterthought. The point is to satisfy the urge - using any means necessary. Such reasons are full of ideology, but not ideologies in themselves. "Security" is not an ideology, but deeply laden with ideological forces.

Revealing the ideological foundations of such calls to violence provides much anxiety. The old boy is perpetually irritable. At times, like the Jihadist, he's just plain cranky. He's right - Denmark, like Australia, is not an ideology, but neither is Islam. "Islam", like "America" or "the West" is a collection of competing ideologies.

Ideologies are those unconscious forces that fill you full of bile, or tie you blindly to some abstract tribal allegiance. Blaming the "West" is ideological. Blaming "Islam" is ideological. Being driven to extreme and pointless calls to non-defensive acts of violence is most ideological.

The old boy will, no doubt, disagree. He's a Freudian.

Where there was ego, there shall id be.
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Re: During the recent Gaza conflict, a number of Egypt
Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:31pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:03pm:
The old boy will, no doubt, disagree. He's a Freudian.

Where there was ego, there shall id be.


Yes but you're forgetting the super-ego  Wink

Its funny because as I was reading your post I was actually thinking that it does sound Freudian. To me, your ideological underpinnings are equivalent to the id, and the conscious rationale of those ideologies are equivalent to the superego.

Maybe?
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:17pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:03pm:
The old boy will, no doubt, disagree. He's a Freudian.

Where there was ego, there shall id be.


Yes but you're forgetting the super-ego  Wink

Its funny because as I was reading your post I was actually thinking that it does sound Freudian. To me, your ideological underpinnings are equivalent to the id, and the conscious rationale of those ideologies are equivalent to the superego.

Maybe?


Should we ask the old boy?
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:57pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:03pm:
The old boy will, no doubt, disagree. He's a Freudian.

Where there was ego, there shall id be.


Yes but you're forgetting the super-ego  Wink

Its funny because as I was reading your post I was actually thinking that it does sound Freudian. To me, your ideological underpinnings are equivalent to the id, and the conscious rationale of those ideologies are equivalent to the superego.

Maybe?




There is only consciousness, and distraction.

Mostly we are distracted, ....by that which is not.

And mostly, happily so.        Grin


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 12:08am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 11:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:03pm:
The old boy will, no doubt, disagree. He's a Freudian.

Where there was ego, there shall id be.


Yes but you're forgetting the super-ego  Wink

Its funny because as I was reading your post I was actually thinking that it does sound Freudian. To me, your ideological underpinnings are equivalent to the id, and the conscious rationale of those ideologies are equivalent to the superego.

Maybe?




There is only consciousness, and distraction.

Mostly we are distracted, ....by that which is not.

And mostly, happily so.        Grin




Spoken like a true Marxist, Y.
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 12:32am
 

Psalms 16:7
I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.


Psalms 16:5
The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2014 at 12:38am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 4th, 2014 at 12:32am:
Psalms 16:7
I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.


Psalms 16:5
The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot.


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