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Kevin Andrews With Raising The Dead Extremists
Aug 19th, 2014 at 4:31am
 
How did these people get elected? How stupid are the Australian people?

Kevin Andrews, keeping company with those who ‘can raise the dead through prayer’


Families Minister Kevin Andrews will not be withdrawing from the World Congress of Families conference in Melbourne, despite revelations that the hard-right Christian outfit is hosting talks by speakers peddling spurious theories linking abortion to breast cancer, presenting homosexuality as a disease, and pushing the line that condoms do not help in achieving safe sex.

Government leader in the Senate Eric Abetz was due to speak at a lunch for one of the key speakers at the conference, where Dr Angela Lanfranchi is also due to speak. However, the lunch has now been cancelled by organisers at the Endeavour Forum, who cited the illness and clashing engagements of some other guests as reasons for the cancellation. They did not comment on suggestions that the lunch had been cancelled at the government’s request.

The cancellation comes days after Abetz was publicly rebuked by the Prime Minister for suggesting that there may be a link between abortion and higher rates of breast cancer. Speaking on The Project, Abetz alluded to “studies from the 1950s” suggesting a link. These studies, conducted in Japan, showed no link, and the hypothesis was thoroughly tested and discredited in the 1980s and 1990s.

However, right-wing groups have continued to advance the abortion-breast cancer link, spurred by the work of medical researchers Joel Brind and his associate Lanfranchi. The pair split from the US National Cancer Institute, after it explicitly and decisively rejected the link.

Lanfranchi, who runs a cancer treatment clinic out of a New Jersey hospital system, has continued to advocate the link between abortion and breast cancer, relying on isolated studies that run counter to large meta-studies, which screen out response bias and other effects in small studies. Lanfranchi also notes on her website that she believes strongly in “complementary medicine”, the “mind-body” connection and “the power of prayer” to treat cancer.

Lanfranchi is also a major figure in “the pill kills” movement, an offshoot of the United States anti-abortion movement, which seeks to limit access to oral contraception...

The right of the WCF to run whatever conference they like is not in doubt. But a higher standard attaches to a government minister, especially when his portfolio covers matters of evidence-based medicine.

Substantial research has found that the “combined” oral contraceptive slightly raises the risk of stroke and some cancers — but this is offset by a reduction in ovarian and endometrial cancer, for an overall reduced mortality rate. Lanfranchi was a major supporter of “the pill kills“ day, held in the US on June 7 this year, and her website features a video address by her repeating a series of cherry-picked statistics and one-off medical events caused by the pill.

“Young women schooled in the idea that contraception should be used to prevent pregnancy at all cost learn to think of babies as the enemy that will destroy their lives,” the website reads.

“That fear of children that results from the contraceptive mentality, coupled with the abortifacient nature of the pill, is depopulating and destroying our society one child at a time.”

Other participants and sponsors include the Catch the Fire ministry, whose Danny Nalliah describes mosques (and Hindu and Buddhist temples) as “Satan’s strongholds”. A Catch The Fire minister, Daniel Scot, claimed that Muslims were responsible for 70% of the drugs in the West. Nalliah himself claims to have raised a girl from the dead by the power of prayer. Salt Shakers, the Melbourne-based group that continues to argue that condoms do not promote safe sex, will address the conference.

And one of the key guests will be Larry Jacobs, a co-founder of the World Congress of Families, who was also due to attend the Abtez lunch. Jacobs has become famous for his praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who he believes is “saving the world for Christianity” against a Western tide of homosexual liberation...

...Kevin Andrews’ spokesperson Jan LeMaitre, confirmed that Andrews would be addressing the conference...

...What sort of guests would a conference have to invite before government ministers did rule out the implicit support that attendance gives? If a group were advancing eugenic or racialist pseudo-science, would they attend? Anti-vaccination talks? The hypothesis that there is no HIV-AIDS link? The religious opinions on display are open for discussion — even if being in the same room as Catch The Fire is a funny way to promote harmony for “Team Australia”. But the endorsement of the pseudo-science peddled by Lanfranchi and others is simply another manifestation of the Right’s anti-science and anti-reason agenda. Andrews should withdraw, and if he does not, the Prime Minister should instruct him to.

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Re: Kevin Andrews With Raising The Dead Extremists
Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 9:27am
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 4:31am:

Kevin Andrews, keeping company with those who ‘can raise the dead through prayer’

....Lanfranchi also notes on her website that she believes strongly in “complementary medicine”, the “mind-body” connection and “the power of prayer” to treat cancer.

....Nalliah himself claims to have raised a girl from the dead by the power of prayer.

Crikey




Crikey indeed!






Prayer, is very, very powerful - if God is in fact listening to us.

The one who created us has all power over all flesh.

But mostly he leaves us to our own consequences - just to see if one day, we will 'wise up', AND TURN TO HIM, and start to make 'good' choices, instead of more 'poor' choices.

But i know that many people do not believe in the 'sky faerie'.

After all, the 'sky faerie' is invisible to our eyes.








Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


James 5:16
....The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.


Psalms 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:


QUESTION;
Why would [or should!] God intervene, to help those who hate him ???



Jeremiah 9:23
Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:
24  But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.






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Jeremiah 11:14
Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.


Ezekiel 8:18
....and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.


Micah 3:4
Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them:...







A PEOPLE WHO GOD, HATES!!!

THAT, IS US!!!

WHY SO ?

Isaiah 59:1
Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
2  But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3  For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
4  None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.



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James 4:8
Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you....




Who is 'holy', and who is not holy ?

Who is vile, in God's eyes ?


Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Hmmmm.

The 'chosen' ones!

Grin

I wonder what that could be alluding to ???         Wink




Jeremiah 9:1
Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
2  Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
3  And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4  Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5  And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6  Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.


John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 10:00am
 
Does this mean Yadda that even you have doubts over the power of prayer to raise the dead?  Isn't that blasphemy against the power of God?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:17pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 10:00am:
Does this mean Yadda that even you have doubts over the power of prayer to raise the dead?  Isn't that blasphemy against the power of God? 

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




Hot_Breath,

Do you understand what Jesus meant when he said ? ;

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.



Jesus was talking about the spirit,
        ....but he was also talking about WHAT WILL COME, to those who love God, and to those who hate God.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.







IMAGE.....
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Gaza devastation



Video tour through Israel

Israel ¡Seeing is Believing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgdb6r0MQ4



Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Kevin Andrews With Raising The Dead Extremists
Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:58pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:17pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 10:00am:
Does this mean Yadda that even you have doubts over the power of prayer to raise the dead?  Isn't that blasphemy against the power of God? 

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




Hot_Breath,

Do you understand what Jesus meant when he said ? ;

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Jesus was talking about the spirit, 


So?  How does that answer the question I asked?  Do I have to consult the auguries to divine your answer Yadda or can you give it to us in plain English?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #5 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 1:33pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:17pm:
|dev|null wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 10:00am:
Does this mean Yadda that even you have doubts over the power of prayer to raise the dead?  Isn't that blasphemy against the power of God? 

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin




Hot_Breath,

Do you understand what Jesus meant when he said ? ;

Matthew 13:12
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.



Jesus was talking about the spirit,
        ....but he was also talking about WHAT WILL COME, to those who love God, and to those who hate God.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.







Video tour through Israel




Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.




Would you post these kind of self-celeberatory comments with a pic of Australian war graves?

*60,000 were killed and 156,000 wounded in WWI 194-8
*10,000 Australians died from Spanish Flu 1918-9
*Australia has second highest unemployment rate in the world 1930's
*39,000 Australians were killed, and 30,000 taken prisoner in the Second World War 1939-45
*70,000 Australians infected with polio 1930's-50's
*350 Australians killed, 1400 wounded in Korea War and Malayan Emergency 1950-3
*Cigarettes kill 15,000 Australians every year
*6000 Australians are killed by alcohol ever year, 150,000 receive hospital treatment

Is God punishing these Christian Australians?
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Reply #6 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
Team Murdoch,


Why do you [we, mankind] worship and mourn flesh ?

It is what our whole culture is worshipping, and revering - the 'perfect' woman, and the 'perfect' man.

How stupid.





We should honour the men who died, making a sacrifice [of their life] for what is good.

Nothing more.




John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.







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This age.

We live in strange times.


A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.

A time when evil is good, and good is evil.





Strange times indeed.

Good [truth] is evil.

And evil is good.


Psalms 9:16
The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

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