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Aug 21st, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
Victims should sue the Vatican. If we are all in Team Australia, we will all encourage and assist victims to get justice against the Team Vatican.



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CARDINAL George Pell has backed the Vatican over victims of sexual abuse saying it was unreasonable for the Royal Commission to request documents regarding abusive clergy.

Describing the records held by the Vatican as “internal working documents of another sovereign state...

...It comes as the Cardinal has told the abuse royal commission victims of sexual abuse had two choices: take a maximum church payout of $50,000 or risk getting nothing.

Giving evidence to the commission live from the Vatican Cardinal Pell today admitted the structure of the church made it difficult for victims to seek compensation through the courts but instead deal directly with its controversial Melbourne Response scheme.

He also admitted the church did not encourage victims of sexual abuse to seek justice through the courts...

...“Many of the peole we helped through the compensation panel would have received nothing or very little after going through thte courts,” he said.

“Some certainly would have received more. They were free to choose whether they entered into our compensation system, knowing there was a $50,000 cap or go through the courts.”

The church has been heavily criticised at the current abuse royal commission for the way it treated victims.

Victims have criticised the Melbourne Response’s independent commissioner Peter O’Callaghan QC for discouraging them from going to police about their abuse.

Mr O’Callaghan denied the claims saying he had “complete anathema for clerical child sexual abuses”...

...Cardinal Pell introduced the Melbourne Response to deal with complaints of sexual abuse in 1996 just months after being appointed Archbishop of Melbourne.

He said he knew he had to act to deal with the suffering of dozens of sexual abuse victims.

Almost 20 years more than 300 victims of sexual abuse have been paid more than $17 million...

...Cardinal Pell said while he left lawyers to setup the finer details of the Melbourne Response he was “satisfied at the time of the end result”.

The church considered creating a legal entity in 1996 that could be sued by victims, but designed the Melbourne Response compensation scheme instead which limited payouts to victims to $50,000 that later increased to $75,000.

Cardinal Pell told the royal commission earlier this year he believed the church should now create an entity that could be sued.

In 2007 the New South Wales Appeals Court ruled the Church could not be held liable for the conduct of its priests.

It also ruled it could not be sued.

Victims have, on average, received $33,000 from the Melbourne archdiocese, while those who pursued independent actions received, on average, $293,000.

The Melbourne Response was one of the global Church’s first schemes to offer redress to victims of paedophile priests.

But the compensation model was heavily criticised last year during State Parliament’s inquiry into abuse by religious and other organisations.


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Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 9:47am
 
Only the Muslims are in Team Australia, Team Murdoch. The Vatican is a demokracy - they don’t have Sharia law.

The real perpetrators are the Muslims, due to the orders of their sinister prophet.

We blame Islam.
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Reply #2 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Which team is the Mad Monk on?  Team Vatican or Team Australia?   How can he be a member of one and captain of the other?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 6:14pm
 
Is it so surprising that George Pell was kicked upwards in the hierarchy?  Always remember, he's there to protect the Church, not the children.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 6:18pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:34am:
Which team is the Mad Monk on?  Team Vatican or Team Australia?   How can he be a member of one and captain of the other?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


That’s a very good question. In the early 20th century, it was a political axiom in Australia that Catholics were untrustworthy because they owed their allegiance to Rome - a foreign state. For many years, Catholics were denied promotions in the public service and prevented from high office.

Menzies used exactly the same argument on communists during the Cold War in his attempt to ban the Communist Party of Australia. The Catholics made good during the Menzies years by splitting from the ALP and supporting the Liberal Party in the DLP.

Tony Abbott’s first political membership was that very party, the DLP. He used to visit its founder, Bob Santamaria, for cosy afternoon chats. At university, Tony Abbott used to stick posters of the pope around campus.

Tony Abbott, it seems, wants Muslims to be on a team he’s never belonged to. In fact, Tony Abbott’s entire political stance comes from the position of outsider.

I doubt very much that Abbott would have thought up Team Australia. This sounds like a focus-group driven exercise implimented with no thought or consultation whatsoever with those whom it’s meant to apply to. It has Mark Textor all over it, the far-right Liberal strategist who cut his teeth on Republican campaigns in the US. Team Australia is most likely a patented American model that started out as Team America.

It’s pitched at Herbie and Shakey’s Western Sydney set, not the Abu demographic. It’s solely about saving marginal seats at the next election. It’s been sitting in Peta Credlin’s bottom draw, waiting for a moment of desperation just like the Libs are facing now.

Team Australia is for the One Nation crowd, and it’s so nakedly phoney every Liberal I’ve seen discussing it seems to be cringing with embarrassment. Libs like Malcolm Turnbull won’t touch it.

Team Australia will fade into obscurity like a bad reality TV show - as every schoolboy knows.
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Reply #5 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 8:55pm
 
Mentally Retarded ?

We Blame Islam.
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The quran was not written by allah unless allah has no knowledge of science and historical facts. No quran or prophet mohammed existed until 60 years after mohammed's death.
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 25th, 2014 at 10:03am
 
Oh, I know.
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