freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:18pm:



I didnt know that.. only women I take it?..

it is a well know fact only women can commit adultery... ..not quite sure how they come to that conclusion.. but it is a FACT

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:

Which one of these is a lie?

The Qur'an:
Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."

Qur'an (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."   

Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith demanding death for apostates are Qur'an verses 2:217, 9:73-74, 88:21, 5:54, and 9:66. 


From the Hadith:

The reason why executing apostates has always been well-ensconced in Islamic law is that there is an indisputable record of Muhammad and his companions doing exactly that according to the reliable Hadith.  According to verse 4:80 of the Quran: "Whoso obeyeth the Messenger obeyeth Allah."

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "  Note that there is no distinction as to how that Muslim came to be a Muslim.

Bukhari (83:37) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?'  Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.'  Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.'  Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?"  Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress.  (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes.  He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed."  (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:49pm:


Islam is very egalitarian in handing out the death penalty. It applies to both men and women.

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:51pm:


Yes. It. Is. We are even discussing the specific verse on the Islam board.

Incorrect, I suggest you do some more study if you want to quote the Qur'an in context.

Has anyone heard of the White Helmets? They're incredibly brave Syrian civilians who rescue people. They have a policy of no discrimination over race or religion. Whenever there is a bombing or a massacre, they rush out and assist where they can. It's a very uplifting story.

I hope stories of heroes like these get some air time here - for balance if nothing else.

Of those who responded in the affirmative for wanting SHariah law, this is the  percentage of people who think it should apply to Muslims or the entire pop.

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 5:21pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 6:43pm:


What did I tell you, Annie? FD won’t even mention "Pew" by name.

No Pew jokes here, FD. Something tells me we’re going to read a lot more of this research.

You can blame the old boy for that.