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Re: ISIS is a Zionist plot - says a moslem woman who..
Reply #166 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 12:36pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

And you've been demanding Hilali do just that for years.

Honest!

Don't you see the rationale for

why muslims will always be evil?

- stay silent - they are apologists
- speak out - they are self serving

- stay silent - they are apologists
- speak out - they are self serving

No, gandalf.

THIS ----->

Is why all moslems are evil......

No, Y, THIS is why all Muslims are evil:

Abu.

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Reply #167 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 12:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Yes, they are "silent" because you lot have your hands over your ears screaming "la la la I'm not listening to you!".

As is always the case, the condemnation is there, you can find it with a 2 second google search. Just as every other islamic atrocity has resulted in the same unequivocal muslim condemnation, and which in turn has resulted in the same ear covering by you lot.

Of course your meme is flexible - it can either be "why aren't the muslims speaking out?", or just as valid - "speaking out is not enough - you have to take to the streets demanding the terrorists blood".

Or taking to the streets demanding the terrorists' blood is not enough - you have to denounce Islam itself.

Or denouncing Islam is not enough - you have to join the old boys.

Mind you, there aren't too many ex-Muselmen in the old boy club. They're very selective about who they let in.

How many ex-Musel Karmic Khristians do you have in your church, Y?

I'm curious.

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Reply #168 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 4:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Yes, they are "silent" because you lot have your hands over your ears screaming "la la la I'm not listening to you!".

As is always the case, the condemnation is there, you can find it with a 2 second google search. Just as every other islamic atrocity has resulted in the same unequivocal muslim condemnation, and which in turn has resulted in the same ear covering by you lot.

Of course your meme is flexible - it can either be "why aren't the muslims speaking out?", or just as valid - "speaking out is not enough - you have to take to the streets demanding the terrorists blood".

we know gandalf... you dont have to explain it every time.

its our fault

is now always has been...

would it serve your purpose if we chopped a few muslims heads off?????...

just asking...

as the fact we ask..

WHERE ARE THE VOICES... WHERE ARE THE PROTESTERS..

Seems a good reason for sneering...

and I can only guess you want more from us.. condemnation isnt enough...

so blood it is then...only not Christian blood

muslims blood...

that way you can at least stop sneering at our efforts... and claim we are as bad as them..

which I gather is what you would dearly love to see..

there is an evil poison running through certain people of the muslim faith..

and yes I for one see very little from the "faithful" that condemns what is happening right at this moment...

the men they are decapitating for the camera... would be going through hell long before, and I would think death would be a blessed relief to them...

and not one protest have we seen from any of the faithful...

all I know is.. if this was Christians... I would hope I would be making one hell of a noise..

not sitting in a forum like this whining about what others said about us.

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Reply #169 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 4:30pm

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

all I know is.. if this was Christians... I would hope I would be making one hell of a noise..

not sitting in a forum like this whining about what others said about us.

That's right, dear. You'd never sit in a forum whining about what others said about us.

Stop the boats, eh?

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Reply #170 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 5:35pm

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Because thats not what street protests are about. People don't organise protests just to make people like you feel better, or to submit to your blackmail. Protests are directed at the host nation's government, to pressure it to take a particular policy direction.

Not true. There have been plenty of protest movements targeted directly at the broader public rather than the government. Islamic extremism is screaming out for the same thing.

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As is always the case, the condemnation is there, you can find it with a 2 second google search. Just as every other islamic atrocity has resulted in the same unequivocal muslim condemnation

Except of course for the hundred or so Australian Muslims who went over there to join in. I challenge you to find as many Australian Muslims working up the 'courage' to speak out publicly against ISIS.

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Of course your meme is flexible - it can either be "why aren't the muslims speaking out?", or just as valid - "speaking out is not enough - you have to take to the streets demanding the terrorists blood".

Islam is going to look bad either way. This is not some kind of incomprehensible trickery Gandalf. You can't just white wash something like ISIS and the involvement of so many Australians (excluding those you insist are helping in the refugee camps, of course) with a few press releases trying to distance the broader Muslim community from it.

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Looks like this pack of filth has cut off one head to many.
Even Obama is pissed off now.

I expect that is their intention. They bitched and moaned about US forces on Islamic lands. Now they are desperate to get them back.

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Or taking to the streets demanding the terrorists' blood is not enough - you have to denounce Islam itself.

Patience Karnal. One hadith at a time.

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Reply #171 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 6:35pm

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Not true. There have been plenty of protest movements targeted directly at the broader public rather than the government.

Such as?

Can you give me an example of a street protest where the protesters are chanting "we agree with you [the Australian public]!!"?

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Islam is going to look bad either way. This is not some kind of incomprehensible trickery Gandalf.

Oh I know FD. You yourself described public statements by muslim leaders condemning violence and extremism as a sinister tactic to "bide their time" to ensure the inevitable islamic takeover was done properly.

Its foolproof - we either ignore what they say and pretend they don't say anything, or we don't ignore it and brand their words as taqiyya.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #172 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 6:41pm

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

Islam is going to look bad either way.

And we'll damn well ensure it stays that way!

None of this spineless nonsense:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #173 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 6:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2007 at 5:56pm:

What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.

FD, I remember you used to argue with me about this sort of thing.

WHen did the scales fall from your eyes?

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Reply #174 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

And you've been demanding Hilali do just that for years.

Honest!

Don't you see the rationale for why muslims will always be evil?

- stay silent - they are apologists
- speak out - they are self serving

Gandy,

Muslims are all hot and excitable about books, cartoons and youtube clips. These trivial things bring them out onto the streets, and they go completely apeshit.

When the jews hit back at their provocation, they are also out there, actively shouting.

But get a few thousand head hackers to kill and rape and pillage in the name of Islam and the Muslims are suddenly claiming that it has nothing to do with what they feel, think or do.

So in essence, when Islam is criticised by the kuffar in print, drawing and vids, they go apeshit.
When Islam is 'misrepresented' as a bloodthirsty primitive deathcult, killing and destroying while allahu akhbaring, it's got nuffin' to do wiv Muslims.

The point you need to internalise: Muslims go apeshit over nothing (cartoons, books) yet they are quiet when actual bloody mayhem is committed in their religion's name.

This is not credible, pal, absolutely not credible.i

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Reply #175 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

Soren, if you are talking about the minority populations in the west - the point is they are a minority - it is understandable they only 'take to the streets' in response to minority issues. When they perceive they are under attack by the majority, dominant group in society, they exercise their democratic right to stand up against that perceived threat. Like I said, it makes no sense for this minority to march down the street chanting "Hey! We agree with you [the dominant group] - ISIS sux!!" It serves no purpose other than to appease the demands of the majority culture.

But if you're talking about muslims in muslim-majority nations, perhaps the whole arab spring thing skipped your attention.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #176 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

....if you're talking about muslims in muslim-majority nations, perhaps the whole arab spring thing skipped your attention.

gandalf,

Oh, do tell us, which moslem nation was it, in your opinion, which was most improved by the "arab spring thing"
?

Was it Yemen ?

Or was it Libya ?

Or Egypt ?

Mild mannered - "We will govern for all Egyptians"
- Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Or was it Syria perhaps ?

Or was it Iran ?

Which moslem nation gandalf, .....has emerged as the shining beacon and as the shining example to the world, ....of ISLAMIC/moslem virtue, after the "arab spring thing"
?

"arab spring thing"

i

Yadda said.....
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Surrounding moslem nations have been assailing Israel - since 1948.

Today, Israel exists, is strong, and is thriving.

.......
.......

In contrast with Israel,

every moslem nation in the region is in disarray and is being rent apart with internal - moslem - conflicts.

Why so ?

Aren't the moslems, the people who are blessed by Allah, their god -
...as a reward to moslems, for their righteousness, FOR BEING MOSLEMS ?

ISRAEL....

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee....

Genesis 27:29
....cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.

Numbers 24:9
....Blessed is he that blesseth thee, and cursed is he that curseth thee.

Moslems have been deceived

...by their own jealousy and self-pride.

And moslems have been cursed, BY GOD - because of their wicked enmity towards their brothers, Israel.

ISLAM is a false religion.

Mohammed is a false [self-serving] prophet.

Moslems are slaves,

to a false and wicked spirit.

Galatians
4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The blessing [of God], is with the children of Isaac [and Jacob - ISRAEL].

Genesis 21:10
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

....Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Exodus 4:22

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Reply #177 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 8:08pm

Soren wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:37am:

And you've been demanding Hilali do just that for years.

Honest!

Don't you see the rationale for why muslims will always be evil?

- stay silent - they are apologists
- speak out - they are self serving

Gandy,

Muslims are all hot and excitable about books, cartoons and youtube clips. These trivial things bring them out onto the streets, and they go completely apeshit.

When the jews hit back at their provocation, they are also out there, actively shouting.

But get a few thousand head hackers to kill and rape and pillage in the name of Islam and the Muslims are suddenly claiming that it has nothing to do with what they feel, think or do.

So in essence, when Islam is criticised by the kuffar in print, drawing and vids, they go apeshit.
When Islam is 'misrepresented' as a bloodthirsty primitive deathcult, killing and destroying while allahu akhbaring, it's got nuffin' to do wiv Muslims.

The point you need to internalise: Muslims go apeshit over nothing (cartoons, books) yet they are quiet when actual bloody mayhem is committed in their religion's name.

This is not credible, pal, absolutely not credible.i

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh soren.. he doesnt want to hear that..

what bothers me is I have never given a toss about Islam and or what it means.. if that makes me a racist I dont give a stuff..

however all of a sudden its all we talk about...I have even looked into the extremist and Islam threads here the first time in my life....and now I walk the other way when I see anyone that looks like a muslim...even children.. they scare me...

now whos fault that????...

.dont ask me to cross the road to help one of them....after what I have seen and read they are capable of doing....it makes me sick to my stomach... even the children are not exempt from their hatred of anything that isnt Islam....

we have turned a blind eye to what they are capable of doing for far too long... and all its done is help them spawn more and bigger groups...and more vicious attacks.., usually on defenceless people..

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Reply #178 - Sep 5^th, 2014 at 8:33pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Oh, do tell us, which moslem nation was it, in your opinion, which was most improved by the
"arab spring thing"
?

Was it Yemen ?

Or was it Libya ?

Or Egypt ?

Or Tunisia? Funny how you left that one out Y.

Egypt is in a far better position freedom wise now than they were before the revolution started. Also Yemen is undoubtedly better too. Libya went from richest and best educated per capita in the whole of Africa, to failed state shithole - courtesy of the French and Qatari imperialist project.

But while its really classy and all of you to mock muslims for fighting and dying for freedom - it was kinda my point I was making to Soren - that muslims can and do stand up against oppression by their own people.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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