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Reply #45 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:02am

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freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am:

Do you mean Muslims with a public voice?

No, not particularly. I mean politicians and the media in general.

So by analogy, the Church doesn't need to speak out against the abusers in it, it's up to politicians and the media as the vast majority of catholics are not themselves abusers.

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Reply #46 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:03am

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:50am:

We have about 100 Australians fighting overseas for various Islamic terrorist groups (more apparently than in our own armed forces). Instead of trying to shield the Muslim community from criticism for this, don't you think it is more important to encourage them to take more responsibility for it? What do you think is more harmful, 100 Australians slaughtering and raping their way across the middle east, or Australian Muslims feeling a bit of shame over it?

Why should Australian Muslims feel responsible? Accepting responsibility is a personal thing. Did you put on a hair shirt when the Cronulla riots happened? Most people cringed at the image this portrayed to the world about white Australia, but they didn't accept personal responsibility. I'd hazard a guess to say that's how the vast majority of Muslims feel about ISIS.

Nothing good will come of making Muslims grovel to be allowed into the fold. They don't need to accept responsibility and they don't need to be ashamed. In fact, we need to strongly discourage that. The last thing we want to force is a feeling of connection between mainstream Muslims and extremists. They are unrelated and if we want it to stay that way, we should reinforce it at every opportunity.

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Reply #47 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:56am:

ISIS selling Yazidi women in Syria

By Raja Razek and Jason Hanna, CNN
August 30, 2014 -- Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_...

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CNN) -- Hundreds of Yazidi women abducted by ISIS have either been sold or handed out to members of the Sunni extremist group, according to an organization that monitors the crisis.

In the past few weeks, ISIS has "distributed" to its rank and file about 300 female members of the persecuted religious minority, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group aligned with the opposition in Syria.

Those women were initially kidnapped in Iraq before being taken to Syria.

In ISIS' eyes, the girls and women are "captives of the spoils of war with the infidels," the Syria monitors said, claiming that some had converted to Islam so ISIS fighters can marry them.

SOHR says it could confirm at least 27 cases in which women were "sold and married" for about $1,000 each to ISIS militants in Aleppo and Raqqa suburbs and Al-Hassakah.

is there anything on the outrage from the Muslim community in Australia on this one bobby??...

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Reply #48 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:02am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am:

Do you mean Muslims with a public voice?

No, not particularly. I mean politicians and the media in general.

So by analogy, the Church doesn't need to speak out against the abusers in it, it's up to politicians and the media as the vast majority of catholics are not themselves abusers.

No, a more fitting analogy would be that the general Catholic population don't need to feel responsible or ashamed about the abusers.

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Reply #49 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:06am

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:56am:

ISIS selling Yazidi women in Syria

By Raja Razek and Jason Hanna, CNN
August 30, 2014 -- Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_...

Quote:

CNN) -- Hundreds of Yazidi women abducted by ISIS have either been sold or handed out to members of the Sunni extremist group, according to an organization that monitors the crisis.

In the past few weeks, ISIS has "distributed" to its rank and file about 300 female members of the persecuted religious minority, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group aligned with the opposition in Syria.

Those women were initially kidnapped in Iraq before being taken to Syria.

In ISIS' eyes, the girls and women are "captives of the spoils of war with the infidels," the Syria monitors said, claiming that some had converted to Islam so ISIS fighters can marry them.

SOHR says it could confirm at least 27 cases in which women were "sold and married" for about $1,000 each to ISIS militants in Aleppo and Raqqa suburbs and Al-Hassakah.

is there anything on the outrage from the Muslim community in Australia on this one bobby??...

I think Muslims here are covering their eyes.

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Reply #51 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:12am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:03am:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:50am:

We have about 100 Australians fighting overseas for various Islamic terrorist groups (more apparently than in our own armed forces). Instead of trying to shield the Muslim community from criticism for this, don't you think it is more important to encourage them to take more responsibility for it? What do you think is more harmful, 100 Australians slaughtering and raping their way across the middle east, or Australian Muslims feeling a bit of shame over it?

Why should Australian Muslims feel responsible? Accepting responsibility is a personal thing. Did you put on a hair shirt when the Cronulla riots happened? Most people cringed at the image this portrayed to the world about white Australia, but they didn't accept personal responsibility. I'd hazard a guess to say that's how the vast majority of Muslims feel about ISIS.

the Cronulla riots were a two sided effort...and I for one do not recall any deaths by beheading...

a riot is not an out and out WAR...a war that seems to be KILLING for the sake of KILLING..

Nothing good will come of making Muslims grovel to be allowed into the fold. They don't need to accept responsibility and they don't need to be ashamed. In fact, we need to strongly discourage that. The last thing we want to force is a feeling of connection between mainstream Muslims and extremists. They are unrelated and if we want it to stay that way, we should reinforce it at every opportunity.

condemning atrocities [like having a child hold up a severed head of a soldier]..

is not my IDEA OF GROVELING

I can only tell you as a CHristian.. if this was a Christian group..trying to control the world with FEAR and HATE.. I would be more than ashamed.. and yes I would feel the guilt..I would ask questions like where is this in the Bible we all are meant to follow..

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Reply #52 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:06am:

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:56am:

ISIS selling Yazidi women in Syria

By Raja Razek and Jason Hanna, CNN
August 30, 2014 -- Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_...

Quote:

CNN) -- Hundreds of Yazidi women abducted by ISIS have either been sold or handed out to members of the Sunni extremist group, according to an organization that monitors the crisis.

In the past few weeks, ISIS has "distributed" to its rank and file about 300 female members of the persecuted religious minority, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group aligned with the opposition in Syria.

Those women were initially kidnapped in Iraq before being taken to Syria.

In ISIS' eyes, the girls and women are "captives of the spoils of war with the infidels," the Syria monitors said, claiming that some had converted to Islam so ISIS fighters can marry them.

SOHR says it could confirm at least 27 cases in which women were "sold and married" for about $1,000 each to ISIS militants in Aleppo and Raqqa suburbs and Al-Hassakah.

is there anything on the outrage from the Muslim community in Australia on this one bobby??...

I think Muslims here are covering their eyes.

if AA is anything to go by.. as per usual its all our fault we should be more understanding and forgiving..

hummmmmm just like they do.

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Reply #53 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:15am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:02am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:35am:

Do you mean Muslims with a public voice?

No, not particularly. I mean politicians and the media in general.

So by analogy, the Church doesn't need to speak out against the abusers in it, it's up to politicians and the media as the vast majority of catholics are not themselves abusers.

No, a more fitting analogy would be that the general Catholic population don't need to feel responsible or ashamed about the abusers.

but they do.... and that maybe is the difference...

people stood by and did nothing..

they didnt speak up they turned a "blind eye"

just like the good muslims are doing..

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106029 Melbourne Gender:	Re: ISIS is a Zionist plot - says a moslem woman who.. Reply #54 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:15am Who is AA?
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: ISIS is a Zionist plot - says a moslem woman who.. Reply #55 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:18am Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:15am: Who is AA? BOBBY.. anne anthrax the mod...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106029 Melbourne Gender:	Re: ISIS is a Zionist plot - says a moslem woman who.. Reply #56 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:21am cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:18am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:15am: Who is AA? BOBBY.. anne anthrax the mod... I wouldn't put words in the Mods mouth. forgiven namaste
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Reply #57 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:22am

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:06am:

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:56am:

ISIS selling Yazidi women in Syria

By Raja Razek and Jason Hanna, CNN
August 30, 2014 -- Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_...

Quote:

CNN) -- Hundreds of Yazidi women abducted by ISIS have either been sold or handed out to members of the Sunni extremist group, according to an organization that monitors the crisis.

In the past few weeks, ISIS has "distributed" to its rank and file about 300 female members of the persecuted religious minority, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group aligned with the opposition in Syria.

Those women were initially kidnapped in Iraq before being taken to Syria.

In ISIS' eyes, the girls and women are "captives of the spoils of war with the infidels," the Syria monitors said, claiming that some had converted to Islam so ISIS fighters can marry them.

SOHR says it could confirm at least 27 cases in which women were "sold and married" for about $1,000 each to ISIS militants in Aleppo and Raqqa suburbs and Al-Hassakah.

is there anything on the outrage from the Muslim community in Australia on this one bobby??...

I think Muslims here are covering their eyes.

if AA is anything to go by.. as per usual its all our fault we should be more understanding and forgiving..

hummmmmm just like they do.

If you're going to join the discussion, at least try to comprehend what I'm actually saying. Do you need me to dumb it down?

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Reply #58 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:23am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:07am:

And Soren...speaking out is not the same as feeling responsible or ashamed. It is important for Muslim leaders to speak out in condemnation, but not to appease the wider population. They should do it to reassure and guide the Muslims they lead.

So why talk about the 'Muslim community' if there is no such thing, only a bunch of unconnected individuals????

Typical identity politics. Either there is a 'Muslim community' that clearly produces enemies of this country - or there isn't, in which case why the hell are we giving them funding??
Please explain.

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Reply #59 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:27am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:22am:

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:06am:

cods wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:56am:

ISIS selling Yazidi women in Syria

By Raja Razek and Jason Hanna, CNN
August 30, 2014 -- Updated 2221 GMT (0621 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/meast/isis-iraq-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_...

Quote:

CNN) -- Hundreds of Yazidi women abducted by ISIS have either been sold or handed out to members of the Sunni extremist group, according to an organization that monitors the crisis.

In the past few weeks, ISIS has "distributed" to its rank and file about 300 female members of the persecuted religious minority, says the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group aligned with the opposition in Syria.

Those women were initially kidnapped in Iraq before being taken to Syria.

In ISIS' eyes, the girls and women are "captives of the spoils of war with the infidels," the Syria monitors said, claiming that some had converted to Islam so ISIS fighters can marry them.

SOHR says it could confirm at least 27 cases in which women were "sold and married" for about $1,000 each to ISIS militants in Aleppo and Raqqa suburbs and Al-Hassakah.

is there anything on the outrage from the Muslim community in Australia on this one bobby??...

I think Muslims here are covering their eyes.

if AA is anything to go by.. as per usual its all our fault we should be more understanding and forgiving..

hummmmmm just like they do.

If you're going to join the discussion, at least try to comprehend what I'm actually saying. Do you need me to dumb it down?

CHARMING for a mod....

so you have not a thing to say about the women being abused????

as that is what I was asking bobby about??>..

whats to DUMB DOWN?

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