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This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter:

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a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

nation:

a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation

The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation.

Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution.

Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #1 - Aug 26^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

Israel is allowed to rule the Middle-East via a state of Empowerment...
...but not allowed to 'breed' (populate) there.

Islam is allowed to populate the Middle-East via a state of Poverty...
...but not allowed to have any 'empowerment' (leadership) there.

This is the crux of the matter apparently
and the 'old ways' are disintegrating against Europe.

Islam will throw the last of its 'Empowerment' (and Military might) against FRANCE, just as GERMANY kicked out the last of the Israel 'breeding' program.

Pretty simple scenario huh Wink

How 'stupid' the world is sometimes. Sad

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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #2 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 9:15am

'Oh the poor Palestinians, and the wicked Likud!!' Cheesy

Judah is going to destroy ISLAM.

gandalf,

I've got some bad news for all those, who's love, is for Sharia law.

And for all those who hate the name of Israel....

THE EXTENT OF ISRAEL

Genesis 15:18
In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 32:41
If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Genesis 26:4
.....and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

gandalf,

This is not any man's doing.

gandalf,

Be glad and be happy.

God's Kingdom [on earth!] will be a Kingdom full of peace.

And peace will flow out, from it.

It is not going to be a peace which extends from the influence of ISLAM [nor from Sharia].

Because ISLAM does not exist, ISLAM was swept away.

gandalf,

Be happy for Israel, and bow down before your God and your King.

Psalms 2:10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

You who cannot see it...

Read Torah!

Not Torah...

Isaiah 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #3 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter:

Quote:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

nation:

a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation

The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation.

Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution.

Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades.
It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness.
The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point.
There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point.

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jmjcare Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1781 Gender:	Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation Reply #4 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:19pm Israhell on Earth Link: thecrowhouse.com/israhell.html
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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #5 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:40pm

Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny.
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter:

Quote:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

nation:

a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation

The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation.

Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution.

Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades.
It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness.
The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point.
There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point.

Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli.

Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL?

Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan.

Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?

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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #6 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:43pm

The international community should be standing with Israel.

Video tour through Israel

Israel ¡Seeing is Believing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLgdb6r0MQ4

Psalms 85:9
Surely his salvation is nigh them that fear him; that glory may dwell in our land.
10 Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other.
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
12 Yea, the LORD shall give that which is good; and our land shall yield her increase.
13 Righteousness shall go before him; and shall set us in the way of his steps.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96197 Gender:	Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation Reply #7 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:49pm I just realised, Y. Your Bible quotes don’t have any actual connection to the points you make. Do you just select them randomly, or do you use an algorithm of some kind?
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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #8 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:12pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

I just realised, Y. Your Bible quotes don’t have any actual connection to the points you make.

K,

The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God.

Though Israel is virtually under siege, from many of its neighbours, Israel and her people, are thriving.

Whereas, the Koran frequently speaks of the death of moslems, for Allah.

And Allah needs many, many MORE, dead moslems!!!!!

....trust me!

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111i

WATCH THIS VIDEO.....

Quote:

The video......

Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, and sends many of them to his paradise.

The moslems are greatful - and in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again.

Luckily, Allah be praised!, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!

Great camera work!!!

Funeral for Muslim Suicide Bomber Goes Up in Smoke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xnBV62xvM

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #9 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:09am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago

So there was. Sorry I completely forgot we should be basing decisions on who has rights where on 4000 year old kings.

Should I lodge my application for the Philistines' right to the land now? - you know after they were slaughtered and evicted from the land by those same 4000 year old kings?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #10 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:14am

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God.

I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel. Yadda how does their rejection of Jesus as their christ and saviour fit in with this strange endearment you have?

Or is it simply a case of 'the enemy of my enemy...'?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #11 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:27am

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I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel.

Deep down they still blame the Jews for bumping off the Sweet Baby Jesus.

They want the Jews to kick it off with the Arabs/Muslims/Anybody-will-do so as to start Armageddon.
While they're wiping each other out and the Jews are doing the hard work in the final battle, all the good ol' boys and gals, tucked away safely in the south of the US of A will calmly wait for the Rapture where they will all be happily taken up to Heaven by a very grateful Sweet Baby Jesus and his dad, God - all done without them having so much as getting a hair out of place.

The stinking Yids, Muslims and all those other heathens get to suck sh!t and rot in hell for all eternity.

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Num num num num.

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Reply #13 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Yadda wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

The Bible quotes, indicate that the people of Israel - the Jews - are blessed by their God.

I never understood the christian far right's sympathy for the jews in Israel. Yadda how does their rejection of Jesus as their christ and saviour fit in with this strange endearment you have?

I love Israel, because Israel are the people who were entrusted with God's commandments, statutes, laws, given to mankind, in Torah.

It is all there in the Bible gandalf.

God's plan for his chosen one's.

Selection.

Testing.

Failure.

Repentance.

Forgiveness.

Gathering.

Glory. [redemption]

gandalf,

Do you exclude yourself ?

As it was intended, all along, ....we are, all of us, 'lost in the wilderness', 'wanderers in the wilderness' gandalf.

We should be learning from the experience of our 'journey'.

But many of us have 'gone native' !

God knew that it would happen.

Many of us have forgotten God.

We love the world, too much!

There is too much 'war booty' around us!

Our God will harvest all of us, gandalf.

Numbers 16:5
And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

Quote:

The Bible, is a holy book.

It is a book which can 'open up' an understanding of holy things, to the 'wayward' mind of a man.

Psalms 119:105
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 14:16
A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident.

Proverbs 28:4
They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them.
5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Psalms 37:1
Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
2 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.
....
7 ......fret not thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.
8 Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Psalms 25:14
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Is there any hope for the proud [the stubborn] and wilful man ?

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Romans 8:7
....the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

i Quote:

Or is it simply a case of 'the enemy of my enemy...'?

No.

Not at all.

I love God, ....imperfectly.

But i love God.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: This charter calls for the destruction of a nation
Reply #14 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 11:24am

Karnal wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 9:40pm:

Remaining properties in Gaza should be worth a pretty penny.
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

The Israeli ruling Likud political charter:

Quote:

a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

nation:

a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nation

The Palestinian "nation" exists as per this understanding of the word. They want, and have the right to, a viable existence through a united and independent territory that is not sliced into discontiguous bantustans by the illegal settlements of a hostile nation. The current ruling party of Israel directly calls for the undermining of this basic right - through the continuation of illegal settlements, and the direct rejection of the creation of a viable, independent and sovereign Palestinian nation.

Likud to this day refuse to abandon this destructive and hateful charter - even while its leader prances around the world stage pretending he is in fact in favour of a two state solution.

Meanwhile the carving up of whats left of a potential future Palestinian state with illegal settlements continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The creation of "facts on the ground" that further solidifies the utter unviability of a future Palestinian state continues - as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The destruction of an entire nation is not merely being called or, is being carried out in practice as per the charter of the ruling Likud party

The Palestinians already have a 'nation', it's now called Jordan whose population is 60% Palestinian, and has been now for a few decades.
It's up to them to make peace with the King of Jordan regarding their betrayal of the monarchy in 1970/71, and ask him for forgiveness.
The partition of the oldest city on the planet is not up for negotiation, and the Israeli's will not budge on this point.
There was a King of Israel 4000 years ago which included the regions of Judea, Sumaria, and what is now called Gaza, and the johnny come lately Mohammedians can whistle before the Jews back down on this point.

Says some guy on the internet, who isn’t a Palestinian, a Jordanian, or an Israeli.

Have shares in Palestinian real estate, do you, CL?

Better get them transferred over to the Kingdom of Jordan.

Shouldn’t be a problem, eh?

I would expect Palestinian shares to be as valuable as a Hamas ceasefire.
Worthless.
And I don't need to be a Palestinian , Israeli or a Jordanian to have spent decades of time studying the issue eh.

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