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Reply #45 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:38pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

.....The torah/buy-bull have been corrupted by man ,this is why Allah sent Mohammad to fix this problem,Allah has protected the Quran from corruption if you read the Quran there is even a verse on this.
Muslims claim the Quran has never been corrupted because Allah has protected it from corruption.

The Quran abrogates the torah/buy-bull because they have been corrupted, your link even states those texts have been corrupted and muslims should only follow the Quran, do you comprehend what your link says.

Allah states in teh inerrant Koran that he protected 1/ the Torah, and 2/ the Gospel of Jesus, and 3/ the Koran.

But moslems claim that the Torah and Gospel of Jesus, were corrupted - BUT NOT THE KORAN.

QUESTION;
After stating that those scriptures were under Allah's protection, why wasn't Allah able to protect 1/ the Torah, and 2/ the Gospel of Jesus - AS ALLAH HAS DECLARED ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295396564/0#0
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Here are some of the Koran verses, which refer to, 'the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus)'...

"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."
Koran 3.2-3

"And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein......
To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety:......."
Koran 5.46-48

"If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side.........Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
Koran 5.66-69
n.b. In the above quote, note the use of the present tense, 'who follow'.

"Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel;....."
Koran 57.27

Allah could not protect anything,he was Muhammad's sock puppet.

What happened to the verse on stoning why is it missing from the Quran, did Allah say he would protect the Quran?
sunnah.com/urn/1262630

« Last Edit: Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:44pm by Baronvonrort »

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #46 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Gandalf is a muslim.
[/quoter] If he is he isd one who diodnt know the Old testament was part of his own religious belief system.
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Islamic scriptures for the shia will be the Quran and al Kafi.

No muslims use the torah or bible they are outdated obsolete texts that have been corrupted by man.
The Quran has never been corrupted,Allah protects the Quran from corruption.
quran.com/15/9

Incorrect as I have just shown. I still cant beleive you are denying what is in black and white before your eyes, even a simple google would confirm for you that I am correct. Yet you persist in making yourself look like a fool, Im quite happy to let you continue to do so.

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You are clueless about every topic you post in, i rate you with spot of borg for idiocy.

yes, i agree, you were wrong and now look foolish because you refused to accept it. I totally agree.

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #47 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 12:06am:

The beheading craze is now going world wide:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/aug/26/brazil-prison-riot-beheadings...

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A prison riot at the Cascavel state penitentiary in Brazil's Paraná state has turned deadly, with four people reported dead. According to the authorities, about 700 inmates have taken part in the uprising, which began on Sunday morning. Two prisoners are believed to have been beheaded and two thrown off the roof. The rebels are demanding better living conditions.

I hope it doesn't catch on in Australia too?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: A beheading a day in Saudi Reply #48 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:09pm Please desist from personal attacks - everyone.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42308	Re: A beheading a day in Saudi Reply #49 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm: How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world? Is that their intent, Bobby?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42308	Re: A beheading a day in Saudi Reply #50 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:15pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 3:39pm: So, the most islamic country in the world .......... has it all wrong ?? The "most Christian country in the world," appears to get quite a bit wrong as well, Sprint. Perhaps people aspire to be good [insert religion adherent of choice here] but often fall short?
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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #51 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world?

Is that their intent, Bobby? Roll Eyes

Yes the previous moderator here on the Islam thread admitted that
he wanted Sharia law in Australia & no doubt - the whole world.

They want to rule the world with their barbaric bronze age thinking.

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #52 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world?

Is that their intent, Bobby? Roll Eyes

Yes the previous moderator here on the Islam thread admitted that
he wanted Sharia law in Australia & no doubt - the whole world.

They want to rule the world with their barbaric bronze age thinking.

No bobby!!!

You are mistaken.

Moslems want to bring peace to the whole world.

To the moslem, ISLAM, is that 'peace'.

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Bashir calls bombers 'counter-terrorists'
June 26, 2007
HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims and feted them as "counter-terrorists."
"There are no terrorists in Indonesia. What there are, are counter-terrorists," Bashir said.
......But he called on Indonesian Muslims to refrain from accusing people of terrorism, saying it would be tantamount to assisting the US.
Bashir spoke at a press conference to announce plans, together with 13 lawyers from the "Team for the Defence of Muslims," to file a suit demanding that Indonesia's counter-terrorism police unit be disbanded.
Lawyer Munarman alleged that the counter-terrorism squad was financed opaquely by the US, sought to make war against Islam and used torture to secure admissions from suspects.
He also said that the squad was discriminatory as it only acted against Muslims, adding the team planned to file the suit on tomorrow at the South Jakarta district court.
Bashir has redoubled his efforts to get Sharia law enforced in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, since his release from prison.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html

All non-moslems should be told, and should come to understand and know, that moslems and non-moslems define certain common words very, very differently.

To a moslem words like these, mean...

Peace = = Submission to Allah is the only peace recognized in Islam.

Righteousness = = Is following the Way of Allah. A moslem can be a killer and murder of non-moslems and yet be regarded by all good moslems as a righteous person.

Good works = = To be good for a moslem is to submit to Allah's will and then follow the 'right' path established by the examples set by the Prophet. [Murdering critics and murdering other assorted 'enemies', pirating against peaceful non-moslem communities, paedophilia, raping women captives which were secured in raiding parties, etc. ALL THESE ACTIONS BY MOHAMMED ARE CATALOGUED AND RECORDED IN THE HADITH.]

Source for how moslems define the meaning of words differently,

Google,
Islam 101: A Lexicon for Dummies

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
"...the quest of converting the entire world to Islam is an immutable fixture of the Muslim worldview. Only if this task is accomplished, if the world has become a "Dar al-Islam," will it also be a "Dar a-Salam," or a house of peace." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #53 - Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world?

Is that their intent, Bobby? Roll Eyes

Yes the previous moderator here on the Islam thread admitted that
he wanted Sharia law in Australia & no doubt - the whole world.

They want to rule the world with their barbaric bronze age thinking.

So, all Muslims think that? Really? And you base your evidence on the opinions of one person? Roll Eyes

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #54 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 12:30am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world?

Is that their intent, Bobby? Roll Eyes

Yes the previous moderator here on the Islam thread admitted that
he wanted Sharia law in Australia & no doubt - the whole world.

They want to rule the world with their barbaric bronze age thinking.

So, all Muslims think that? Really? And you base your evidence on the opinions of one person? Roll Eyes

The opinions contained within one book, brian.

It is all there, ....within the one book brian, the moslem 'playbook', it is called the Koran.

Sharia law, killing, subjugating disbelievers, war booty [i.e. sex slaves], moslems ruling the world [as proxies for Allah], moslems obeying their virtuous community leaders.

A moslems everywhere are just waiting for the properly guided moslems to 'come', and to create the moslem utopia for them.

Any year now!!! [.....they've been waiting for 1,400 years so far.]

"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #55 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 8:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

How can we stop Muslims from smashing up the whole world?

Is that their intent, Bobby? Roll Eyes

Yes the previous moderator here on the Islam thread admitted that
he wanted Sharia law in Australia & no doubt - the whole world.

They want to rule the world with their barbaric bronze age thinking.

So, all Muslims think that? Really? And you base your evidence on the opinions of one person? Roll Eyes

I base my opinions on countries like Saudi Arabia & Iran.

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Re: A beheading a day in Saudi
Reply #56 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:05am

ian wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Gandalf is a muslim.
[/quoter]
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Islamic scriptures for the shia will be the Quran and al Kafi.

No muslims use the torah or bible they are outdated obsolete texts that have been corrupted by man.
The Quran has never been corrupted,Allah protects the Quran from corruption.
quran.com/15/9

You are clueless about every topic you post in, i rate you with spot of borg for idiocy.

yes, i agree, you were wrong and now look foolish because you refused to accept it. I totally agree.

So what punishment can a muslim expect from the Muttawwa if they are caught reading a bible/torah in Saudi Arabia,Yemen,Kuwait,Iran or the Uae?

What is the punishment for a muslim distributing the bible or torah in those countries?

What is a muttawwa?

Gandalf and the oldest Islamic website on the internet said you were wrong yet you insist you know more than them.
Grin

Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: A beheading a day in Saudi Reply #57 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:57am Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 28^th, 2014 at 10:05am: Gandalf and the oldest Islamic website on the internet said you were wrong yet you insist you know more than them. Sorry Baron - random internet guy editing wikipedia with no citation trumps all
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Reply #58 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

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Not if you compare it to the pattern of just about every civilization in history - where a political and cultural prosperous period of about 500 years followed by a long period of stagnation is about standard.

Can you give some examples? The Roman Empire is the only obvious one to me. Most didn't last that long.

Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greeks - the jewish kingdoms as already mentioned. No doubt many others. All these civilizations went through extended periods of cultural flowering, followed by stagnation, and then quite often a repeat - on and on for millennia. Of course not all civilizations rose more than once, but the "shelf life" of each period was roughly consistent - interestingly.

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I have been asking you some very simple questions about your reinterpretation of Islam. All I get in response is excuses for why you cannot possibly respond.

Complete rubbish. This is like you harping on for months about how I never expanded on my "universal morality" theory of Muhammad's example, until it eventually seemed to sink in that I did - after linking you back to the relevant post for about the 10th time.

But of course we both know this is just a convenient excuse. The reassessment that you cry I never expanded on is more than adequately outlined in the thread I started about it. But as always you just want to bring it back to a sh!tfest about sex-slaves, knowing perfectly well that it would derail any possibility of constructive dialogue. Not to mention the fact that I have made my views about those alleged references to "sex slaves" perfectly clear - ie they are non-existent.

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I would like to know what it is before supporting it. Just because you label it a reform does not mean it is fundamentally different. You are floundering to come up with anything that can claim consistency with Islam while not being open hostile to modern western values.

If you don't know what it is I am advocating then you clearly haven't read my post on it. Its very simple really - the Quran is deliberately broad and mostly non-specific, leading the 'rationalist' school of thought (includes me) to conclude that the Quran advocates free thought, flexibility and the very real possibility of the sort of consideration for equality and human rights that we hold to today. This is being prevented, IMO, by the dominance of the sunna in islamic law, which has a rule on pretty much every conceivable human action - and effectively turns muslims into automatons with no free thought.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #59 - Aug 28^th, 2014 at 7:31pm

Sunna noun: (islam) the way of life prescribed as normative for muslims on the basis of the teachings and practices of muhammad and interpretations of the qur'an

If muhammad left the last perfect scriptures, never to be changed or revised.

If muhammad was the acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light.

Why are muslims the most inbred, illiterate, psychopathic, torturers, terrorists and mass murderers, on this planet?

islam can never reform unless it rejects the teachings of muhammad, the commands of allah, the verses in the qur'an, the records in the hadi'th, which have caused the inbreeding, illiteracy, the homicidal maniacs running around reveling in inhumane acts of terror, torture and mass murder.

But then, thats the end of islam, as there is nothing left, islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an, were all wrong.

The biggest enemy islam has, is truth it'self.

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