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Reply #120 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

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Reply #122 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

You know you are lying.

No lies: the Iraq attacks are reported at the link I provided. Have a closer look. I'm not sure why you can't see them.

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

For years decade upon decade Islamic nutjobs have been letting off bombs right across the world. India, Bangladesh, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Russia, USA, UK, Spain, Afghanistan , Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Algeria, Libya, UAE, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, China, Thailand, Mali, Indonesia etc etc etc.

Indeed, they have. They're certainly a crazy mob. Is someone suggesting that they haven't been involved in terrorist attacks?

Your links don't mention hardly any terrorist attacks. Why bother. There would be over 1,000 attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq alone. Go and make a cup of coffee and watch Days Of Our Lives.

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Reply #123 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

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Reply #124 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:57pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

You know you are lying.

No lies: the Iraq attacks are reported at the link I provided. Have a closer look. I'm not sure why you can't see them.

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

For years decade upon decade Islamic nutjobs have been letting off bombs right across the world. India, Bangladesh, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Russia, USA, UK, Spain, Afghanistan , Ethiopia, Somalia, Sudan, Algeria, Libya, UAE, Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, China, Thailand, Mali, Indonesia etc etc etc.

Indeed, they have. They're certainly a crazy mob. Is someone suggesting that they haven't been involved in terrorist attacks?

Your links don't mention hardly any terrorist attacks. Why bother. There would be over 1,000 attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq alone. Go and make a cup of coffee and watch Days Of Our Lives.

Well, I'll hand it over to you then, so that you can substantiate your claim:

"There would be over 1,000 attacks in Afghanistan and Iraq alone."

Undecided

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Reply #125 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

Well it's YOUR link, not mine...but so July 2013 isn't an accurate test...can you show the non-muslim terror attacks between 2001 and 2014, as a percentage of the TOTAL terror attacks for the same period??

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #126 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:24pm

Just putting history aside for the moment, there is the current situation of ISIS carrying out Genocide on innocent civilians in numbers which are countless thousands.

Now that is something to get concerned about.

It is no different to the genocides carried out in Bosnia, Rawanda etc. the list just goes on and on.

The only reoccurring phenomena is the muted response from the United Nations in each and every episode of Genocide. The blue bereted troops, stand by, whilst monsters carry out atrocities even to the point where the Dutch UN troops handed over thousands of people they were supposed to be defending in Bosnia. They were subsequently slaughtered.

The alarming thing is that Barrack Obama has come out and said that the U.S. has 'no strategy' where ISIS is concerned.

Then it had better get one and in a hurry, the impotent U.N. will do what they always do in massacres of innocents i.e. Nothing!!

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Reply #127 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

...can you show the non-muslim terror attacks between 2001 and 2014, as a percentage of the TOTAL terror attacks for the same period??

No, I'm not going to convert them to a percentage for you. I've done far too much for you already.

I've provided the information, and it clearly substantiates my claim: most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

If you choose to ignore the facts, and remain irrationally fearful, that's your prerogative.

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Reply #128 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

...can you show the non-muslim terror attacks between 2001 and 2014, as a percentage of the TOTAL terror attacks for the same period??

No, I'm not going to convert them to a percentage for you. I've done far too much for you already.

I've provided the information, and it clearly substantiates my claim: most terrorist attacks are carried out by non-Muslims.

If you choose to ignore the facts, and remain irrationally fearful, that's your prerogative.

I'm not ignoring any facts...and it's ok that you won't convert non muslim vs muslim attacks to a percentage...since the unchanged numbers will still prove my point.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #129 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

Well it's YOUR link, not mine...but so July 2013 isn't an accurate test..

Yes, it's my link, and I'm not disputing the numbers you quoted.

However, it's one month out of more than 150. How can it possibly be an accurate test?

Keep moving those goal posts.

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Reply #130 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:54pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

...since the unchanged numbers will still prove my point.

Incorrect.

Most terrorist attacks around the world, since 2001, have been carried out by non-Muslims.

I've provided the proof. I've proven my point beyond all doubt.

Thus far, you have provided absolutely nothing, except your personal opinion (which is based on irrational fear, fueled by talk-back radio, 60 Minutes, and ignorant work colleagues/friends).

When you can come up with something concrete to refute the facts I've presented, let me know. I'll be right here.

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Reply #131 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

Well it's YOUR link, not mine...but so July 2013 isn't an accurate test..

Yes, it's my link, and I'm not disputing the numbers you quoted.

However, it's one month out of more than 150. How can it possibly be an accurate test?

Keep moving those goal posts.

No, I'll leave that to you...it is after all a 'lefty' thing.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #132 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:58pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

...I'm saying WORLDWIDE, post 2001 (recent history). The Sunni and Shiite muslims have been killing each other for 1200 years. Which religion is involved in the killing and terror attacks in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Israel/Gaza, England etc???

Islam.

And yet, the fact still remains, most terrorist attacks, worldwide, since 2001 are carried out by non-Muslims.

Says who? The Wikipedia links you posted don't even mention one African incident. You are talking out of your ass greggorry. Post some better information.

There's been hundreds in Iraq alone.

The Iraq terrorist attacks are reported.

You need to look harder:

"And the rest are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents (in a box near the bottom of the page)."

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_July%E2%80%93December_...

Well just for the July section of that Wiki link, about 26 out of 31 attacks were Muslim inspired attacks.

I believe you.

However, we're talking about "since 2001", aren't we?

If you want to narrow it down to July 2013, there may indeed be more Muslim attacks.

The goal posts seem to be moved with every new post you make.

At least I can agree with you on one point: most terrorist attacks carried out on behalf of Islam, are perpetrated by Muslims.

Well it's YOUR link, not mine...but so July 2013 isn't an accurate test..

Yes, it's my link, and I'm not disputing the numbers you quoted.

However, it's one month out of more than 150. How can it possibly be an accurate test?

Keep moving those goal posts.

No, I'll leave that to you...it is after all a 'lefty' thing.

When you can come up with something concrete to refute the facts I've presented, let me know. I'll be right here.

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Reply #133 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 4:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

...since the unchanged numbers will still prove my point.

Incorrect.

Most terrorist attacks around the world, since 2001, have been carried out by non-Muslims.

I've provided the proof. I've proven my point beyond all doubt.

Thus far, you have provided absolutely nothing, except your personal opinion (which is based on irrational fear, fueled by talk-back radio, 60 Minutes, and ignorant work colleagues/friends).

When you can come up with something concrete to refute the facts I've presented, let me know. I'll be right here.

Well NO, since I don't have any 'irrational fear', don't listen to 'talk-back radio', and don't have any 'work colleagues'....

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #134 - Aug 29^th, 2014 at 4:06pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 4:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 29^th, 2014 at 3:48pm:

...since the unchanged numbers will still prove my point.

Incorrect.

Most terrorist attacks around the world, since 2001, have been carried out by non-Muslims.

I've provided the proof. I've proven my point beyond all doubt.

Thus far, you have provided absolutely nothing, except your personal opinion (which is based on irrational fear, fueled by talk-back radio, 60 Minutes, and ignorant work colleagues/friends).

When you can come up with something concrete to refute the facts I've presented, let me know. I'll be right here.

Well NO, since I don't have any 'irrational fear', don't listen to 'talk-back radio', and don't have any 'work colleagues'....

I apologise, and retract the statement.

Thus far, you have provided absolutely nothing, except your personal opinion.

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