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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #240 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:31am red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:15am: Apply that little Military word to your life Soren and you will be amazed how many problems fall over. "To a man with a hammer, every problem is a nail."
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #241 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:36am You realise I was talking to Brain, not you, re cynicism.
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Reply #242 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:38am

red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dr Jamal Rifi a prominent Muslim leader this morning on Sunrise condemned the actions of ISIS.

He stated that the Azzizzis had lived in peace with Muslims in the Middle East for thousands of years. He stated that through that period Muslims had not try to convert them by force to Islam nor had they waged war on them.

He claims ISIS has reinvented Muslim ideology and that the mainstream of 500,000 Australian Muslims do not support this ideology.

He also stated that young people were at danger of being drawn into a Jihadist ideology and that the leaders of the Muslim Community in Australia were working hard to stop this happening.

He named one of his sons Jihad.

Talk about mixed messages.

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Reply #243 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:55am

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 9:38am:

red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dr Jamal Rifi a prominent Muslim leader this morning on Sunrise condemned the actions of ISIS.

He stated that the Azzizzis had lived in peace with Muslims in the Middle East for thousands of years. He stated that through that period Muslims had not try to convert them by force to Islam nor had they waged war on them.

He claims ISIS has reinvented Muslim ideology and that the mainstream of 500,000 Australian Muslims do not support this ideology.

He also stated that young people were at danger of being drawn into a Jihadist ideology and that the leaders of the Muslim Community in Australia were working hard to stop this happening.

He named one of his sons Jihad.

Talk about mixed messages.

Jihad is not a violent concept.
Jihad is not a declaration of war against other religions. It is worth noting that the Koran specifically refers to Jews and Christians as "people of the book" who should be protected and respected. All three faiths worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God, and is used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslims.
Military action in the name of Islam has not been common in the history of Islam. Scholars says most calls for violent jihad are not sanctioned by Islam.
Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications

its all in the interpretation... Roll Eyes

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #244 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:09am No Soren, I didn't realise that, apologies for my oversight.
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Reply #245 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:17am

NorthofNorth, don't take my S.M.E.A.C. message too literally, Just a little military joke from bygone days. In the Airfield Defence Guards my Mustering the R.A.A.F. in Vietnam days, we were always having S.M.E.A.C. shoved down our throats and we got to saying you can use S.M.E.A.C. for everything from taking out the rubbish to going on Patrol. Wink

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Reply #246 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:30am

I believe the latest news that the R.A.A.F. will be doing Weapon and Supply drops to the Iraqi Forces is the thin end of the wedge.

I also believe that the 24 Aircraft that comprise our Super Hornets fighter jets will be itching to get over there. What better theatre of War and it is a War to try out our latest weaponry.

If the Yanks continue with air strikes which I also think will be enlarged, then it will only be a matter of time before our fighter jets are there too.

I have mixed emotions on this one because 'something' has to be done about the wholesale genocide going on there. ISIS cannot be allowed to grow strong and mighty like a new version of Nazis Germany.

There are huge lessons to be learned from WW2 e.g. When Neville Chamberlain arrived back in England infamously waving his 'Peace in our Time' document, shortly afterwards (days) the Nazis marched into Poland.

We as a world community, cannot allow something as sinister as ISIS to grow strong and virulent.

The price to pay for not getting involved, pales into insignificance, as to what will happen if these modern day Nazis are allowed to take over the Middle East.

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Reply #247 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:45am

red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 10:30am:

I believe the latest news that the R.A.A.F. will be doing Weapon and Supply drops to the Iraqi Forces is the thin end of the wedge.

I also believe that the 24 Aircraft that comprise our Super Hornets fighter jets will be itching to get over there. What better theatre of War and it is a War to try out our latest weaponry.

If the Yanks continue with air strikes which I also think will be enlarged, then it will only be a matter of time before our fighter jets are there too.

I have mixed emotions on this one because 'something' has to be done about the wholesale genocide going on there. ISIS cannot be allowed to grow strong and mighty like a new version of Nazis Germany.

There are huge lessons to be learned from WW2 e.g. When Neville Chamberlain arrived back in England infamously waving his 'Peace in our Time' document, shortly afterwards (days) the Nazis marched into Poland.

We as a world community, cannot allow something as sinister as ISIS to grow strong and virulent.

The price to pay for not getting involved, pales into insignificance, as to what will happen if these modern day Nazis are allowed to take over the Middle East.

This is not a fight the west can win by engaging itself (or being lured into) another middle east murderous black comedy.. The 'dragon' of Islamism can only be subdued from within by those from the region.

Islamism is solely a force for destruction which is fueled by the zeal of psychopaths which, in its turn, is fueled by luring foreigners directly into the fray. This is how the psychopathic scum (many of them ironically are Islamist turds from Europe) 'justify' their need to murder... Without foreign fighters on their soil, they will turn on other Muslims... Their point is to kill and nothing else.

The only viable solution is to arm the Kurds and assist them without our being directly involved... They, too, are Muslim, which acts as an antidote to Islamism by revealing its sectarian underbelly... It also reveals the lie to the claim of Muslim 'brotherhood'...

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Reply #248 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 3:29pm

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 8:21pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

You cannot possibly be right, numpty. Your arguments are invariably spurious, based on hairsplitting at best, but mostly on complete misrepresentation.

OK.

Prove me wrong.

You are Gweggowy the Negligible.
You are always wrong. You cannot be right. Looking at things out of your skull means that everything you see and report is distorted and false.

Still can't substantiate your claim, hey?

I'm loving this Grin

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Reply #249 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 3:47pm

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

You cannot possibly be right, numpty. Your arguments are invariably spurious, based on hairsplitting at best, but mostly on complete misrepresentation.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-t...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#t...

https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/37

You've gone vewy qwiet, Sore-end Wink

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Reply #250 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 30^th, 2014 at 5:47pm:

You cannot possibly be right, numpty. Your arguments are invariably spurious, based on hairsplitting at best, but mostly on complete misrepresentation.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/05/muslims-only-carried-out-2-5-percent-of-t...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#t...

https://www.europol.europa.eu/latest_publications/37

You've gone vewy qwiet, Sore-end Wink

You silly prat, the first and third talk about the US only, the last one clearly identifies Al Qaida inspired terrorists as the main threat to European countries. The Wiki is clear that since 2000, Islamic terrorism is the main danger.

None of them prove your stupid assertion.

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Reply #251 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 5:34pm

Whatever way you cut it. There is no disputing that ISIS are heavily involved in 'ethnic cleansing'. The latest atrocity was on TV last night. They marched 250 Syrian soldiers in their underpants made them lie in a line then gunned the lot of them.

A stand must, must be made against ISIS. They must be ripped to pieces.

It's one thing to wage war and another thing altogether to carry out the wholesale genocide they are carrying out.

They must be defeated.

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Reply #252 - Aug 31^st, 2014 at 7:02pm

red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Whatever way you cut it. There is no disputing that ISIS are heavily involved in 'ethnic cleansing'. The latest atrocity was on TV last night. They marched 250 Syrian soldiers in their underpants made them lie in a line then gunned the lot of them.

A stand must, must be made against ISIS. They must be ripped to pieces.

It's one thing to wage war and another thing altogether to carry out the wholesale genocide they are carrying out.

They must be defeated.

exterminated, get the simon weisenthal organisation onto them

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Reply #253 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:43am

Soren wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 4:50pm:

... the last one clearly identifies Al Qaida inspired terrorists as the main threat to European countries.

You obviously don't understand the difference between a threat, and something that has actually happened.

The majority of terrorist attacks around the world since 2001 have been carried out by non-Muslims.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139232 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #254 - Sep 1^st, 2014 at 9:45am red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 5:34pm: Whatever way you cut it. There is no disputing that ISIS are heavily involved in 'ethnic cleansing'. Yep, they're crazy, evil bastards. red baron wrote on Aug 31^st, 2014 at 5:34pm: They must be defeated. Now you're starting to sound like them.
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