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Reply #375 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:13pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:
ISIS, thinks it's being clever beheading Sotoff but they have played right into the U.S.A.'s hands.

Stand by for massive retribution courtesy of the U.S. Air Force, this happened first time around but you can expect a bigger response this time.

The U.S. doesn't take kindly to human blackmail. They won't pay a ransom but they will hand out retribution. Wouldn't like to be in an ISIS encampment right now.


The US knows that by doing this, they would play right into ISIS's hands.

Sure the US doesn't take too kindly to blackmail. They have a policy of not paying ransoms. The reason Steven Sotloff is all over the news and not a dead Swedish or Japanese journalist is due to US policy - as difficult as that policy must be for those who impliment it. If they did pay ransoms, US citizens around the world could be much more at risk.

I can't think of anyone in the world who wants to see ISIS prosper. Surely a new rogue state in the Middle East is not in the interests of the Saudis. The Taliban maybe, but only because it takes the heat off them.

But having the US dragged into a new endless war is in the interests of many - Russia, China, and maybe even Iran if it kills off a few bloodthirsty Sunnis on their doorstep.

This time, the US needs to speak softly, even if it carries a big stick. The days of Wagner being blasted out of choppers and the smell of Nepalm in the morning are long gone. The actions of the last US administration has stymied US foreign policy for at least a generation - maybe more if the rot spreads, which in the case of ISIL, it clearly has.

Talking tough on ISIS is just self-indulgent. Quiet, decisive - and limited - action is required. The US's actions have allowed ISIL to come into being. Deposing Saddam and sacking the Ba'athists created a vacuum. Just being in Iraq sent an invitation to Al Qaida. Propping up Al Malaki and allowing him to create a corrupt, Shi'ite fiefdom gave the Sunnis a just cause.

ISIS is the direct result of the failure of US policy - failure on the biggest scale in living memory. The end result of the US invasion and occuptaion of Iraq is so different to US objectives as to present a millennial case study on what not to do in foreign intervention.

Massive retribution would be just plain dumb, and the US are in no position to try this. Air strikes are one thing, but rarely successful against insurgencies. This time, any boots on the ground need to be wearing blue berets.
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Reply #376 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm
 
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.
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Reply #377 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:32pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


Planes get shot down for no reason in that region, cods.
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Reply #378 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
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Reply #379 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
How is  Syria's situation anything to do with America karnal knowledge??
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Reply #380 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:42pm
 
Neferti wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:32pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


Planes get shot down for no reason in that region, cods.


You think? If I was a bored Iraqi out in the desert with the US missile launcher I found, I'd have plenty of reasons to shoot down a B52.
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Reply #381 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm
 
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
How is  Syria's situation anything to do with America karnal knowledge??


I'm not sure, Shakey. Is it?
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Reply #382 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
How is  Syria's situation anything to do with America karnal knowledge??


I'm not sure, Shakey. Is it?
They're having a civil war aren't they??
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Reply #383 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:50pm
 
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:48pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
How is  Syria's situation anything to do with America karnal knowledge??


I'm not sure, Shakey. Is it?
They're having a civil war aren't they??


Are they? You must have been watching the news again, Shakey.

It comes on after Deal Or No Deal, doesn't it?
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Reply #384 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:51pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:50pm:
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:48pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:43pm:
Shakey wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:39pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


They could have dropped a trillion US dollar bills over Syria and Iraq and saved going in in the first place.

They would have saved well over 200,000 lives and the region would be safer now.

Mind you, shares in Haliburton, Blackwater and Lockheed Martin would not be so high and 3 CEOs would have made lower bonuses between 2003 and 2008.
How is  Syria's situation anything to do with America karnal knowledge??


I'm not sure, Shakey. Is it?
They're having a civil war aren't they??


You've been watching the news again, Shakey.

It comes on after Deal Or No Deal, doesn't it?
Nope, after Pakistani world news on SBS. Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #385 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
Neferti wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:32pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


Planes get shot down for no reason in that region, cods.



then the money would be spread further.. think positive !!
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Reply #386 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:42pm:
Neferti wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:32pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


Planes get shot down for no reason in that region, cods.


You think? If I was a bored Iraqi out in the desert with the US missile launcher I found, I'd have plenty of reasons to shoot down a B52.




I think America are canny enough to put signs on the planes..

saying special delivery

YOU JUST GOT MONEY BY AIR  MAIL...

think of all those US dollars...falling out of the sky.

I might have found the answer to all these problems.....its always been about MONEY.
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Reply #387 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:21pm
 
Karnal I completely agree that due to the power vacuum left by the Middle East Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, power vacuums were made to exist.

This was the origin of ISIS.  However because a ten headed snake emerged out of the fog, is no reason for the U.S. to back off. In the contrary, the U.S. is working hard to get a coalition of Muslim Countries together, to fight ISIS whilst they back them with logistics.

It will be interesting to see just how this plays out.
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Reply #388 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:50pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Karnal I completely agree that due to the power vacuum left by the Middle East Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, power vacuums were made to exist.

This was the origin of ISIS.  However because a ten headed snake emerged out of the fog, is no reason for the U.S. to back off. In the contrary, the U.S. is working hard to get a coalition of Muslim Countries together, to fight ISIS whilst they back them with logistics.

It will be interesting to see just how this plays out.


Agreed, but I know how I’d feel if I was a Yank, and had to keep paying taxes - not to pay off the multi-ttrillion dollar US surplus, but to keep funding endless wars in the Middle East.

Many Australians don’t even want to fork out for tthe foreign aid we committed as part of the Millenium Goals. How do you think they’d feel if they saw war dollars coming out of health and education funding?

End the budget emergency, or sell a few more News Ltd newspapers?

You know, the ones with front page photos of someone’s son having their head cut off.

ISIL are fcked up, but there are varying degrees of fcked upedness.
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Reply #389 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:55pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:20pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:42pm:
Neferti wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:32pm:
cods wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 5:24pm:
perhaps they could pay the ransom by leaflet dropping it all over Syria and Iraq...

well its just a thought...dealing with madmen is the pits.


Planes get shot down for no reason in that region, cods.


You think? If I was a bored Iraqi out in the desert with the US missile launcher I found, I'd have plenty of reasons to shoot down a B52.




I think America are canny enough to put signs on the planes..

saying special delivery

YOU JUST GOT MONEY BY AIR  MAIL...

think of all those US dollars...falling out of the sky.

I might have found the answer to all these problems.....its always been about MONEY.


You’ve only just realised that?
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