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Reply #435 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

aquascoot wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

It's the best example. Defeat at Gallipoli had nothing to do with it Karnal, stop leg pulling. You know as well as I do that I am referring to the spirit of Anzac and what the core values of those diggers were.

What a load of krap.

My great uncle fought in WWI. The one thing he told me - when he could lift his attention from the races on 2KY - was never let the bastards get to you.

He hated the spirit of Anzac. He knew that there is no spirit of Anzac. We ALL know that there is no spirit of Anzac.

The spirit of Anzac is 19 year old kids emptying their rifles to save ammunition before they say a quick prayer and run into Johnny Turk’s machine gun fire.

The spirit of Anzac is body counts and pinewood coffins being lined up in the shade.

The spirit of Anzac is little white crosses lined up in military formation as if on some limp dick parade.

Fck the spirit of Anzac. It’s the biggest con we ever had forced on us after rum, sodomy and the lash.

We have learnt well from those losses karnal. Mainly about the ways to minimise deaths on our side.
So why would we send in troops when we can send in drones.
The nice people in ISIS truly are stuck back in the days of Gallipoli.
We've moved on
A pimply faced civil servant with wifi sitting in HQ in South Carolina is about to turn ISIS into toast.

Gud is great for providing us with these rightard weapons.

And the spider-veined faces in the ADF tell us drones don’t work against a force of over ten thousand heavily armed troops in the desert.

Drones are good against one or two badly equipped Taliban volunteers in the mountains. Drones aren’t yet capable of fighting armies.

Drones are used largely against civilians (or those posing as civilians), not well-armed troops who can defend themselves.

ISIL are begging for the opportunity to stage a long, protracted ambush against Uncle in the desert. Obey them, and you end up in Iraq again, or Afghanistan, or Vietnam. If we’ve learned anything in the last 50 years, it’s that you don’t engage in military operations without very clear objectives, and a viable alternative administration to hold them.

Wetting your pantaloons and yelling atUncle to do something - anything - is just stupid unless you have a viable plan.

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Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be
Reply #436 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:33pm

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Don't tell me to piss off Karnal, you know Jack about what I have done in life, I don't and won't justify myself to you, you crock.

Don't set yourself up as some sort of anti hero arbiter, who eats barbed wire for breakfast, I'm not buying it 'hero' and nor should anyone else you're dropping your crap on here.

Read my posts the right way up before you tell me what to do, old son. I don’t take orders from Air Force personel (retired).

Put your glasses on before posting, and leave the panty wetting to Cods and the cheese-dealer.

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Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be
Reply #438 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:10pm

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

Well......I have a Father and a couple of Grand Uncles who would agree 100% with Karnal.

That 'Anzac Spirit' is post fact National jingoism readily peddled by the needy. Saying so is not being disrespectful of the blokes who fought, or died or survived. While they were there shooting and being shot at, they did not give a ferk about a 'spirit.' It was shoot or be shot.

The crappy alleged 'spirit' came much later for political purposes.

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Reply #439 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:16pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

Don't tell me to piss off Karnal, you know Jack about what I have done in life, I don't and won't justify myself to you, you crock.

Don't set yourself up as some sort of anti hero arbiter, who eats barbed wire for breakfast, I'm not buying it 'hero' and nor should anyone else you're dropping your crap on here.

Read my posts the right way up before you tell me what to do, old son. I don’t take orders from Air Force personel (retired).

Put your glasses on before posting, and leave the panty wetting to Cods and the cheese-dealer.

ooppps another plop of poo... erkkkkkkkkkkk Grin

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Reply #440 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

No worries, Red. They probably taught you we marched into Gallipoli, taught Johnny Turk a thing or two, played a few games of cricket, and came back in time for Christmas.

Now you know otherwise, feel free to reflect on our noble history of failed foreign interventions and apply them to the situation in the Middle East today - a situation we’ve played our part in, believe it.

If you and the defence contractors in the White House had listened a bit more carefully back in 2003, we would not be having such a frank exchange of views today.

All those neatly lined white crosses are there in Turkey and France and Belgium because the chumps in charge were powerless to stop the empty, deafening roar that always precedes the march into battle.

If you want to be a part of that, be my guest, but don’t expect me to give up without a fight.

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Reply #441 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

Well......I have a Father and a couple of Grand Uncles who would agree 100% with Karnal.

That 'Anzac Spirit' is post fact National jingoism readily peddled by the needy. Saying so is not being disrespectful of the blokes who fought, or died or survived. While they were there shooting and being shot at, they did not give a ferk about a 'spirit.' It was shoot or be shot.

The crappy alleged 'spirit' came much later for political purposes.

maybe you should move back to India and take kamel with you then..

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Reply #442 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:19pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

No worries, Red. They probably taught you we marched into Gallipoli, taught Johnny Turk a thing or two, played a few games of cricket, and came back in time for Christmas.

Now you know otherwise, feel free to reflect on our noble history of failed foreign interventions and apply them to the situation in the Middle East today - a situation we’ve played our part in, believe it.

If you and the defence contractors in the White House had listened a bit more carefully back in 2003, we would not be having such a frank exchange of views today.

All those neatly lined white crosses are there in Turkey and France and Belgium because the chumps in charge were powerless to stop the empty, deafening roar that always precedes the march into battle.

If you want to be a part of that, be my guest, but don’t expect me to give up without a fight.

so when ISIS arrives on our doorstep you and aussie will be well and truly under the bed I guess along with your uncles and cousins who believe any form of war is for dills...and only to be disrespected... we get it.

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Reply #443 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

Well......I have a Father and a couple of Grand Uncles who would agree 100% with Karnal.

That 'Anzac Spirit' is post fact National jingoism readily peddled by the needy. Saying so is not being disrespectful of the blokes who fought, or died or survived. While they were there shooting and being shot at, they did not give a ferk about a 'spirit.' It was shoot or be shot.

The crappy alleged 'spirit' came much later for political purposes.

maybe you should move back to India and take kamel with you then..

Cods.....is that you using abusive language? You know ~ the stuff you have been whingeing about in Feedback? I go out of my way not to be personally insulting or personally critical of you (in fact, as a Member Run Board Mod I have acted to assist you) yet you are blind to your own hypocrisy it seems.

I am neither Indian, and nor do I know of a Member named kamel.

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Reply #444 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:36pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:29pm:

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

Well......I have a Father and a couple of Grand Uncles who would agree 100% with Karnal.

That 'Anzac Spirit' is post fact National jingoism readily peddled by the needy. Saying so is not being disrespectful of the blokes who fought, or died or survived. While they were there shooting and being shot at, they did not give a ferk about a 'spirit.' It was shoot or be shot.

The crappy alleged 'spirit' came much later for political purposes.

maybe you should move back to India and take kamel with you then..

Cods.....is that you using abusive language? You know ~ the stuff you have been whingeing about in Feedback? I go out of my way not to be personally insulting or personally critical of you (in fact, as a Member Run Board Mod I have acted to assist you) yet you are blind to your own hypocrisy it seems.

I am neither Indian, and nor do I know of a Member named kamel.

just telling you where to go.. is hardly calling you a pot of piss....

.India has a calling for you i understand...go to Kathmandu for all I care with that attitude...as for doing favour look whos

TALKING..

..

oh that right you believe in neither saying thank you nor remembering...do you.. aka the ANZACs how could I forget that...

aussie the MOD great on short MEMORY SYNDROME>>>

dont trust him... never ever trust this guy..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #445 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:38pm you sure show your true colours on here aussie.. you really do.
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Reply #446 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:10pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

Well......I have a Father and a couple of Grand Uncles who would agree 100% with Karnal.

That 'Anzac Spirit' is post fact National jingoism readily peddled by the needy. Saying so is not being disrespectful of the blokes who fought, or died or survived. While they were there shooting and being shot at, they did not give a ferk about a 'spirit.' It was shoot or be shot.

The crappy alleged 'spirit' came much later for political purposes.

They drum that Anzac Spirit krap into new recruits the way they drill them in everything else. Weapon, gun, fighting, fun. The kids fall in line, just as football players stand in a row looking vacant with their hands on their dicks, trying to mouth the words of the national anthem before a game.

The loss you feel for people you know killed in battle, that’s real.

Stop sending kids to get killed in pointless foreign wars - problem solved. No need for Anzac Spirit.

The last thing I would wish on any parent or brother or sister or friend or comrade is Anzac Spirit. The last I would wish on people in any other country is Anzac Spirit.

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Reply #447 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:48pm

cods wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:17pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Forget about it Karnal, your post about the Anzacs was enough for me, I didn't need my glasses to read that load of cobblers.

No worries, Red. They probably taught you we marched into Gallipoli, taught Johnny Turk a thing or two, played a few games of cricket, and came back in time for Christmas.

Now you know otherwise, feel free to reflect on our noble history of failed foreign interventions and apply them to the situation in the Middle East today - a situation we’ve played our part in, believe it.

If you and the defence contractors in the White House had listened a bit more carefully back in 2003, we would not be having such a frank exchange of views today.

All those neatly lined white crosses are there in Turkey and France and Belgium because the chumps in charge were powerless to stop the empty, deafening roar that always precedes the march into battle.

If you want to be a part of that, be my guest, but don’t expect me to give up without a fight.

so when ISIS arrives on our doorstep you and aussie will be well and truly under the bed I guess along with your uncles and cousins who believe any form of war is for dills...and only to be disrespected... we get it.

And when the Turks come down here, closely followed by the Vietnamese, and the Iraqis and the Afghanis and the
ISISies, we’ll send you in, dear, guns blazing.

You’ll hold the fort. No worries.

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Reply #448 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 6:51pm

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so when ISIS arrives on our doorstep you and aussie will be well and truly under the bed I guess along with your uncles and cousins who believe any form of war is for dills...and only to be disrespected... we get it.

The only thing you get, cods is the fantasy of the alleged honour and glory of having the beegeezus belted out of you in a War. There is nothing sweet, nothing charming, nothing in itself to be admired. It is grubby, non-humane and very terrible. There is nothing to glorify. That is for people who believe Biggles was real. My Father and his Uncles got shot at, and they shot back. The Great Uncles were lousy shots as they were killed. My Dad survived WW2 and he metaphorically spat at the political wankers who wanted for their own purposes to seek votes out of military nationalism. I remember wishing nothing more than wanting to join the Cadets at my High School in the mid 60s, and my Dad absolutely refusing to allow it on the basis that he did not want me to be playing at 'war.' He reckoned he had paid the 'Family Dues,' in that regard. For all of his Life, so far as I knew, he never, ever entered an RSL and he never marched in or watched an Anzac Day March/Ceremony ~ yet, on the day my Brother and I buried him, we learned that the Old Fart was a Life Member of the RSL. That, my Dear Cods, is 'spirit,' of the private and honourable kind.

Later, my Brother was conscripted....taken out of his civilian job and plonked into the LNP's 'All the Way with LBJ' Military, potentially directly into Vietnam. Thank ferk that Whitlam arrived and stopped the ships which were about to send my Brother to Vietnam. My Old Man supported him every step of the way, but he never slept about it.

Long story....Brother stayed in ~ retired as a Brigadier, and he too will figuratively spit on your stupid vicarious claim about a 'spirit.'

War is shite, and there is nothing to glorify whatsoever. Nothing.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96602	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #449 - Sep 7^th, 2014 at 7:02pm You’ve got it, Aussie. You know what the game’s about. Fck ISIS, fck the drones, fck Lockheed Martin, the Marines, Coalitions of the Willing, all the officers in 3RAR Holsworthy, and dumb chocolate soldiers on the internet who don’t know any better. Fck Anzac Spirit. Fck the lot.
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