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Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be
Reply #480 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
what would ,you call a 9/11 happening on our shores?...




11/9




That has to be paid.



sadly you can make jokes whilst people are dying.. I find that so left...I really do..

almost 3000 people blown out of the sky... time to make jokes time to brush it off ...

WOW...
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Reply #481 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 7:07pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:40pm:
Well Karnal, I must be doing something right with my crystal ball because low and behold David Irvine Head of ASIO today said that he was considering lifting our readiness level from Medium to High.

And no, David nor anyone else did not give me a heads up on my correct prediction.

It just kinda makes sense don't ya think? Smiley



you are arguing with a brain washed lefty

they will never see the danger even when it jumps up and bites them....

look most of them vote green.. and look what they believe in... wishy washy hates the word terrorist...and milne agrees.. lets not brand anyone...

dont call anything by its real name.. everyone is NICE PERSONS now..

if chopping off heads is not a work of terrorism.. then what is it exactly?
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Reply #482 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 7:08pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
what would ,you call a 9/11 happening on our shores?...




11/9




That has to be paid.



sadly you can make jokes whilst people are dying.. I find that so left...I really do..

almost 3000 people blown out of the sky... time to make jokes time to brush it off ...

WOW...



Cods there are as many lefties concerned about this you twit!

How about trying to be inclusive rather than points scoring poo comments!

A lot of us do care!
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BAN ALL THESE ABO SITES RECOGNITIONS.

ALL AUSTRALIA IS FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS!
 
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Reply #483 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:04pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:40pm:
Well Karnal, I must be doing something right with my crystal ball because low and behold David Irvine Head of ASIO today said that he was considering lifting our readiness level from Medium to High.

And no, David nor anyone else did not give me a heads up on my correct prediction.

Two Moslems arrested today for Terrorist offences, tip of the iceberg I'm tipping.

As they say in Alice in Wonderland, Curiouser and curiouser


It certainly is. Scott Morrison was all very hush-hush on 7.30 about what criteria David Irvine raised that security clearance.

He nearly tripped up.and said, "on-water issues".

I’m going out on a limb here, but could it possibly have something to.do with the government’s poor polling and the Australian’s scary photos of head-hackers?

If anyone asks, you didn’t hear that from me, Red. It’s just what they’re saying.
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Reply #484 - Sep 10th, 2014 at 9:07pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
cods wrote on Sep 10th, 2014 at 6:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 8:33pm:
cods wrote on Sep 9th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
what would ,you call a 9/11 happening on our shores?...




11/9




That has to be paid.



sadly you can make jokes whilst people are dying.. I find that so left...I really do..

almost 3000 people blown out of the sky... time to make jokes time to brush it off ...

WOW...



Cods there are as many lefties concerned about this you twit!

How about trying to be inclusive rather than points scoring poo comments!


You’re addressing Cods here, Redneck. You might as well be talking to a fish.
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Reply #485 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm
 
President Barack Obama, today  gave a State of the Nation address. Now it would appear the U.S. finally have 'A strategy'.

It seems that the U.S. is going to weigh in heavily with their Air Force plus 487 advisors are slated to go in and train the friendlies.

Hang on a tic, isn't this how Vietnam started out? Let's hope it's not how Vietnam finished down the track.

Following the address, Obama's approval rating rocketed the charts at home.

Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith. Mixed bag of lollies this outfit.
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Reply #486 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith. Mixed bag of lollies this outfit.


Exactly.
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Reply #487 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:22pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
...Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith...


Do you have some sort of evidence that IS "carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith"?

From the media reports I have read, there were a few executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers who they are fighting, but not the "genocide" that you talk of.



By the way if you want to know about genocide I suggest you start by looking at the actions of Western nations.

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The United States of Genocide: Putting the US on Trial for Genocide Against the Peoples of Korea, Laos, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, and Elsewhere



The United States of America was built on a foundation of genocide against the Indigenous peoples of North America. In fact, all successful settler colonial societies are founded in genocide. The process is one of dispossession – the erasure of one group identity and the imposition of another on the people and/or on the land. But genocide is not merely the foundation of the US nation state, it is also the foundation of the US empire. The US habit of genocide has not died, but has transformed. The US has become a serial perpetrator of genocide with the blood of many millions of innocents spilled in pursuit of imperial hegemony.

There is a fight going on for the very meaning of the term “genocide”. Western powers assert their right to accuse enemies of committing genocide using the broadest possible definitions whilst also touting a twisted undefined sense of “genocide” which can never, ever be applied to their own actions...

...All of those who oppose Western aggression justified as humanitarian intervention under the “responsibility to protect” must stop burying their heads in the sand over this matter. This is a very real fight for the future of humanity. We can either learn and propagate the understanding that US imperial interventions are, by nature, genocidal. Or we can just pretend the word has no meaning; indulge our childish moral impulses and the lazy fatuousness of our scholars and pundits and let Western mass-murderers use this Orwellian buzzword (for that is what “genocide” currently is) to commit heinous acts of horrific violence which ensure the continued domination of the world’s masses by a tiny imperialist elite...

...US “Wars” are Actually Genocides

Every major military action by the US since World War II has first and foremost been an act of genocide. I do not state this as a moral condemnation. If I were seeking to condemn I would try to convey the enormous scale of suffering, death, loss and misery caused by US mass violence. My purpose instead is to correct a terrible misconception of US actions – their nature, their meaning and their strategic utility. This understanding which I am trying to convey is a very dangerous notion with an inescapable moral dimension because the US has always maintained that the suffering, death and destruction it causes are incidental to military purposes – they are instances of “collateral damage”. But, with all due respect to the fact that US personnel may face real dangers, these are not real wars. These are genocides and it is the military aspect that is incidental. In fact, it is straining credulity to continue believing in a string of military defeats being sustained by the most powerful military in the history of the world at the hands of impoverished Third World combatants. The US hasn’t really been defeated in any real sense. They committed genocide in Indochina, increasing the level of killing as much as possible right through to the clearly foreseen inevitable conclusion which was a cessation of direct mass violence, not a defeat. The US signed a peace agreement which they completely ignored. The Vietnamese did not occupy US territory and force the US to disarm and pay crippling reparations.

There is no question that the US has committed actions which fit the description of genocide. Genocide does not mean the successful extermination of a defined group (there is no such thing as “attempted genocide”). It was never conceived that way, but rather as any systematic attack on “a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.” Those who deny US genocides usually only deny that there is any intent to commit genocide. The UN definition of genocide (recognised by 142 states) is:

… any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

...bear in mind that the victims of US armed violence are not usually combatants and are not engaged in some sort of contested combat that gives them some ability to defend themselves or to kill or be killed. They are helpless as they die of incineration, asphyxiation, dismemberment, cancer, starvation...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-united-states-of-genocide-putting-the-us-on-tri...
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Reply #488 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:22pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
...Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith...


Do you have some sort of evidence that IS "carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith"?


Only news footage and interviews with Shi'ites - and Christians - in refugee camps who had been told to convert or die.

If that's what you mean, I'd define that as precisely as genocide: the systematic destruction of a religious/national/ethnic group.
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Reply #489 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:22pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
...Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith...


Do you have some sort of evidence that IS "carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith"?


Only news footage and interviews with Shi'ites - and Christians - in refugee camps who had been told to convert or die.

If that's what you mean, I'd define that as precisely as genocide: the systematic destruction of a religious/national/ethnic group.



4 Corners did a program about 4 weeks ago...

you dont have to kill people to make them do what they dont want to do..
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Reply #490 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 4:19pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
President Barack Obama, today  gave a State of the Nation address. Now it would appear the U.S. finally have 'A strategy'.

It seems that the U.S. is going to weigh in heavily with their Air Force plus 487 advisors are slated to go in and train the friendlies.

Hang on a tic, isn't this how Vietnam started out? Let's hope it's not how Vietnam finished down the track.

Following the address, Obama's approval rating rocketed the charts at home.

Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith. Mixed bag of lollies this outfit.




that may well be..

but I have asked this before....what is wrong with dividing a country like Vietnam North and South.??

if that is how two people with different views can live in the same patch... then so be it...

we are talking people killing their brothers.. even if people change religion to prevent being killed.. does it make for them to love you? I wouldnt think so..

with hate in their heart I wouldnt want to turn my back on anyone..
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Reply #491 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 2:22pm:
Do you have some sort of evidence that IS "carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith"?

From the media reports I have read, there were a few executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers who they are fighting, but not the "genocide" that you talk of.



By the way if you want to know about genocide I suggest you start by looking at the actions of Western nations.

[quote]
The United States of Genocide: Putting the US on Trial for Genocide Against the Peoples of Korea, Laos, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Iraq, and Elsewhere



The United States of America was built on a foundation of genocide ...

...US “Wars” are Actually Genocides

Every major military action by the US since World War II has first and foremost been an act of genocide. I do not state this as a moral condemnation. If I were seeking to condemn I would try to convey the enormous scale of suffering, death, loss and misery caused by US mass violence.

[url]http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-united-states-of-genocide-putting-the-us-on-trial-for-genocide-against-the-peoples-of-korea-laos-viet-nam-cambod


Are you a muslim  team murdoch?

Global research is not a reliable source only a muslim or dumbfukistani would cite that garbage.
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #492 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 6:57pm
 
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Genocide Emergency: Genocide and Mass Atrocities against Christians, Shias, Turkomen,Yazidis, Shabaks, Assyrians, and other minority groups in Iraq

August 6, 2014

ISIS fighters, who have already driven out Christians from their ancestral homes in northern Iraq – including Zumar — have been especially targeting the Yazidis. The United Nations has called the situation in Shingal and other parts of Nineveh province “a humanitarian disaster.” The Yazidis are the latest victims of the brutal advance by the Islamic State, formerly the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, whose Sunni Muslim fighters have been targeting Iraq’s Christians and other minority groups, as well as Shiite Muslims.

ISIS has captured the primarily Yazidi towns of Sinjar and Zumar, killing nearly 2,000 and forcing 200,000 to flee into the nearby mountains without food and water. More than 50 children have died from dehydration since August and hundreds more children and elderly are at risk. Other crimes against humanity are also being committed by ISIS, include beheadings, rapes, and selling minority children and women into slavery, according to a member of Iraq’s Parliament, lawmaker Vian Dakhil.  A UN official has called the ISIS actions “genocide.”

Originating from a splinter group of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, has grown into a complex threat to peace and security in Iraq and Syria as well as across borders into other Middle Eastern countries such as Lebanon. ISIS sees itself as the ultimate authority over all Muslims as it attempts to establish a new Muslim Caliphate stretching across all Muslim countries in the Middle East.

ISIS has also persecuted religious minorities in Iraq’s Nineveh province, including orders to non-Muslims to convert to Islam, pay a special tax, and either leave or face execution. Systematic abductions, killings, rapes, and destruction of property owned by non-Muslims have become common in ISIS controlled areas.

It is estimated that since the beginning of 2014, 1.2 Million Iraqis have been displaced.

Many Yasidis currently are trapped in the mountains without food and water. ISIS is not only directly killing them, but is preventing them from getting food and water.  This is genocide under Article 2 (a) (b) and (c) of the Genocide Convention.

Genocide Watch recommends that:

1) The UN Security Council should immediately condemn these genocidal acts by ISIS and declare ISIS a terrorist group subject to the full panoply of UN sanctions.

2) Iraq should use its air power to drive ISIS forces out of the areas ISIS is using to besiege the Yasidis and should deliver weapons to the Yasidis for their self-defense.

3) The US and NATO should physically and financially support Iraq’s battle against ISIS.

4) UN member states, through the government of Iraq, should airlift supplies to the Yasidis now trapped in the mountains, including establishment of secure relief areas.

5) ISIS leaders should be referred to the International Criminal Court, or to a Middle Eastern International Criminal Court, as Genocide Watch has recommended establishing since the outbreak of civil war in Syria.


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Reply #493 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:22pm
 
cods wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 4:19pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 1:34pm:
President Barack Obama, today  gave a State of the Nation address. Now it would appear the U.S. finally have 'A strategy'.

It seems that the U.S. is going to weigh in heavily with their Air Force plus 487 advisors are slated to go in and train the friendlies.

Hang on a tic, isn't this how Vietnam started out? Let's hope it's not how Vietnam finished down the track.

Following the address, Obama's approval rating rocketed the charts at home.

Big difference between Nam and ISIS, is that the North Vietnamese didn't carry out wholesale genocide on their own faith. Mixed bag of lollies this outfit.




that may well be..

but I have asked this before....what is wrong with dividing a country like Vietnam North and South.??.


An interesting question, dear. What’s wrong with it?

Nothing except that it’s a Cold War solution when the bi-lateral powers reached a stalemate - Korea, Germany, Vietnam.

Nation states are not "people with different views". If you believe conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke, a nation is organic, like a life form. Dividing up a nation, for Burke, would be akin to Solomon’s test to cut a baby in half to give to two conflicting sets of parents.

You can’t divide states in a post-Cold War world, because this solution required each state to be defended by two balanced super-powers. North Korea is left standing because it’s backed by China.

In a post-Cold War world, it is far more likely that states would split into even smaller atoms, not unlike Yugoslavia.

The Middle East is going through a similar transition now.
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Reply #494 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:29pm
 
Charlie was an awesome foe. Persistent, tough, relentless.

ISIS recruits from places like the UK are more akin to military tourists,

One decent battalion of Aussie diggers would see them pack up their you tube and hightail it for tullamarine. Wink
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