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Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be (Read 42095 times)
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Reply #495 - Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:32pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 11th, 2014 at 8:29pm:
Charlie was an awesome foe. Persistent, tough, relentless.

ISIS recruits from places like the UK are more akin to military tourists,

One decent battalion of Aussie diggers would see them pack up their you tube and hightail it for tullamarine. Wink


True, Aquascoot. We could always send in the Light Horse Brigade.

Problem is, there’s a lot more of them than there are of us.
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Reply #496 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:21am
 
Just a clarification Karnal, when I said that's how Vietnam started out; I was referring to how the U.S. and Australia and allies got involved in the conflict.

It started with sending military advisers and worked it's way up from there, as the War escalated, until we were 'all the way with L.B.J.'

I agree with you on your concept of what constitutes a Country.
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Reply #497 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:10pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:21am:
Just a clarification Karnal, when I said that's how Vietnam started out; I was referring to how the U.S. and Australia and allies got involved in the conflict.


I understood what you meant, Red. Vietnam, Korea and the Berlin Wall were the exceptions in the Cold War as they were actual wars (or, in the case of Berlin, very nearly a nuclear war).

The rest of the world went with either superpower without, in most cases, an actual fight. Like other colonies, Middle Eastern states went straight from their former colonial masters to Uncle or Russia.

The Arab Spring was the natural consequence of the end of the Cold War. Without well-organised puppet governments in countries like Egypt, Lybia and Tunisia, their populations voted with their own feet (or weapons). Either way, they got to vote for the first time.

Trying to understand local civil wars and conflicts without an understanding of the bigger picture will lead to problems. Likewise, describing local conflicts solely in reference to universal signifiers like the Domino Theory or the Clash of Civilizations is equally flawed.
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Reply #498 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 2:14pm
 
2.15pm Friday 12.9.  Just watched Tony Abbott on national television lifting our National Security rating from  Medium to High.

This means now that a Terrorist attack IS LIKELY.

I have been waiting for this to happen and take no comfort at all that it is.

No need to be unduly alarmed as you go about your life. However just be aware of people acting suspiciously. We all have a sixth sense when something seems odd or out of place.

Like packages being left unattended in shopping malls under seats etc.

Or people moving about like they are being watched.

Don't be afraid to make the phone call if you do notice suspicious activity, you could be saving a whole lot of lives.

National Security Hotline Number is : 1800 1234 00
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Reply #499 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 3:41pm
 
15.31, AEST.

BULLSHIT.

The Abbott government is playing the electorate for fools. They’re doing the old security agenda shift to take the heat off their mismanagement of domestic issues.

What other PM goes to TV to announce a security upgrade?

What other PM can’t even specify why our security status is being raised?

The Abbott security game, like Thatcher’s Faulkland war,  is a complete crock - but this time, there’s not even a clear threat. We’re not at war, no one has attacked, and it’s all BULLSHIT.

This is so easy to see, I’m.surprised even the Bolt crowd doesn’t see through it.

No I’m not. They started it.

And Red Baron is the biggest cheerleader. No need to be unduly alarmed indeed. Don’t panic.

Alarmed about what?
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Reply #500 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 3:51pm
 
thats strange on another thread the sore losers are complaining it the Head of ASIO that is making all the noise....boy is there anything that will please lefties????

of course not using the TERRORIST word...

how could we forget.
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Reply #501 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm
 
Well Karnal, if 60 well trained Jihadists infiltrated my Country, people have been trained keenly in the art of terrorism, I would be scared sh.tless of what trouble they would cook up once they got back home from their 'big adventure'. The fact is they have.

Why the hell they let those bastards back into Australia I don't know. Perhaps the laws hadn't been passed that allowed the Government to prevent them from re-entering Australia.

But re-enter they have and everything I have ever been trained for in the military and even the Police for that matter has a big red warning light going off.

Anyone who doesn't think that these Jihadists roaming around here, with their Jihadists masters calling the moves, are not a threat is not living in the real world.

The A.S.I.O. boss had every right to raise the threat level.

What has happened is like letting 60 murderers back into the Country and setting them free. Unbelievable madness in letting them back in, now the Country faces a real and serious threat from them.

PS I suppose the terrorist bombings in London were bullsh.too Karnal, that is of course, until they happened.
9/11 a blush.t exercise too. After all it couldn't happen in America...that is until it did.

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Reply #502 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:09pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
PS I suppose the terrorist bombings in London were bullsh.


Wouldn't have happened if Tony Blair could mind his own business and not invade Iraq and Afghanistan


red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
9/11 a blush.t exercise too. After all it couldn't happen in America...that is until it did.



It took nearly 40 years to happen though. The US had helped Israel to oppress Arabs with massive military and financial aid since 1973.

It is amazing that the Arabs hadn't got to the US sooner.
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Reply #503 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:06pm
 
Never mind the 'if' 'what' and 'but'.

We are dealing with the here and the now. And right now there are 60 trained Jihadists at large in our Country and they represent are real danger, one we have rarely seen this species of here before.

But mark my words we will know all about some of them, sooner rather than later.
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Reply #504 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 12:19am
 
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:06pm:
Never mind the 'if' 'what' and 'but'.

We are dealing with the here and the now. And right now there are 60 trained Jihadists at large in our Country and they represent are real danger, one we have rarely seen this species of here before.

But mark my words we will know all about some of them, sooner rather than later.


You’re making this up, Red, as everybody knows.

Where’s the 60 figure come from? And what does "60 Jihadis" even mean?

Is Abbott citing "on water" issues, or do you want to have a stab in the dark?

Citing London bombings and September 11 means nothing. You could cite them in a hundred years time.

As everybody knows.
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Reply #505 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 7:49am
 
Scenario:

You have a beautiful, well tended  garden.

One day you see a family of brown snakes cross from the adjacent bush and take up residence amongst the well tended plants.

Would you

A) Go in and tell the children they need to get out of the house and go exercise in the garden   or:

B) Go and deal with the nest of snakes, ensuring that every last jack one of them was removed from the garden forever

then:

C) Put up barriers around your garden, so that the offending snakes could never re-enter paradise.
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Reply #506 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:03am
 
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
Well Karnal, if 60 well trained Jihadists infiltrated my Country, people have been trained keenly in the art of terrorism, I would be scared sh.tless of what trouble they would cook up once they got back home from their 'big adventure'. The fact is they have.

Why the hell they let those bastards back into Australia I don't know. Perhaps the laws hadn't been passed that allowed the Government to prevent them from re-entering Australia.

But re-enter they have and everything I have ever been trained for in the military and even the Police for that matter has a big red warning light going off.

Anyone who doesn't think that these Jihadists roaming around here, with their Jihadists masters calling the moves, are not a threat is not living in the real world.

The A.S.I.O. boss had every right to raise the threat level.

What has happened is like letting 60 murderers back into the Country and setting them free. Unbelievable madness in letting them back in, now the Country faces a real and serious threat from them.

PS I suppose the terrorist bombings in London were bullsh.too Karnal, that is of course, until they happened.
9/11 a blush.t exercise too. After all it couldn't happen in America...that is until it did.




They need to round them up & imprison them - not spend money watching them.
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Reply #507 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:01am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:03am:
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
Well Karnal, if 60 well trained Jihadists infiltrated my Country, people have been trained keenly in the art of terrorism, I would be scared sh.tless of what trouble they would cook up once they got back home from their 'big adventure'. The fact is they have.

Why the hell they let those bastards back into Australia I don't know. Perhaps the laws hadn't been passed that allowed the Government to prevent them from re-entering Australia.

But re-enter they have and everything I have ever been trained for in the military and even the Police for that matter has a big red warning light going off.

Anyone who doesn't think that these Jihadists roaming around here, with their Jihadists masters calling the moves, are not a threat is not living in the real world.

The A.S.I.O. boss had every right to raise the threat level.

What has happened is like letting 60 murderers back into the Country and setting them free. Unbelievable madness in letting them back in, now the Country faces a real and serious threat from them.

PS I suppose the terrorist bombings in London were bullsh.too Karnal, that is of course, until they happened.
9/11 a blush.t exercise too. After all it couldn't happen in America...that is until it did.




They need to round them up & imprison them - not spend money watching them.



can on ly imagine what lefties would do with that one???. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..and as for the anything to win a vote mob... wishy washy and the greens  they would march on the prisons and demand release..

or we will obstruct everything this govt tries to do..

Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #508 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:51am
 
Team Murdoch wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 8:09pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:43pm:
PS I suppose the terrorist bombings in London were bullsh.


Wouldn't have happened if Tony Blair could mind his own business and not invade Iraq and Afghanistan



Ah, so Indonesia invaded Afghanistan and so they bombed Bali.
Got it, numpty.
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Reply #509 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:52am
 
No Sir Bobby they need to return them to the Country in which they trained as a Terrorist with papers , marked 'never to return'.

The last I heard from the Government they were tub thumping, saying they would not be re admitted to Australia?

Why were they let back in?

Now we have a "High Level Threat" because our Government were slothful in reacting.

They knew they were coming back, they had bi partisan support to deal with it and they didn't

Abbott and Co and the main reason we are now on high threat level because they failed in their duty to protect the Nation.

No good closing the bloody gate when the enemy is already in the yard.





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