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Reply #510 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:00am
 
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:52am:
No Sir Bobby they need to return them to the Country in which they trained as a Terrorist with papers , marked 'never to return'.

The last I heard from the Government they were tub thumping, saying they would not be re admitted to Australia?

Why were they let back in?

Now we have a "High Level Threat" because our Government were slothful in reacting.

They knew they were coming back, they had bi partisan support to deal with it and they didn't

Abbott and Co and the main reason we are now on high threat level because they failed in their duty to protect the Nation.

No good closing the bloody gate when the enemy is already in the yard.








do you think they go straight on to centerlink?????.........nothing would surprise.

the bleeding hearts will b e out in droves..if Abbott blocks that.
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Reply #511 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
Sydney Morning Herald August 5, 2014

The federal government will have enhanced powers to suspend passports at short notice to stem the flow of young Australians joining the Islamist rebellions in Syria and Iraq, under legislation expected to be put to Parliament shortly.

The reforms, which have strong support in the counter-terrorism community and from government, will plug a security gap at Australia’s borders that is being exploited by scores of would-be jihadists.

Counter-terrorism sources have said the measure would see passports suspended for 48 hours, and possibly for up to a week, if a person was suspected of planning to travel to Syria, Iraq and other “hot spots”.

The interim suspension - which could apply to both Australian and foreign passports - will allow ASIO to undertake a more thorough security assessment, leading to a possible permanent cancellation of the passport.

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In addition, counter-terrorism authorities will encourage family members, respected community members and clerics to counsel the traveller on mainstream Islamic values while their passport is suspended.

The aim is twofold - to dissuade the young person from travelling and, more broadly, begin a program of counter-radicalisation, especially if the passport ends up permanently cancelled.

“We don’t want to deal with people who are planning an attack in Australia because we have cancelled their passport,” said one security source.

The vast bulk of Australians travelling to the Syria and Iraq conflict are under the age of 25. For example, Adam Dahman - the Melbourne man who became a suicide bomber in Iraq - was just 17 years old when he left Australia.

Attorney-General George Brandis said on the weekend that “wicked and evil” terrorist recruiters “prey upon vulnerable young men - they are almost always young men”.

“They are encouraged to believe a particularly radical form of Islamic ideology. They are encouraged to believe there is some kind of romance in self-destruction,” he said.

“We are determined to do everything we can to thwart them.”

Revoking passports is a key strategy to stop the exodus of Australians to the Middle East conflict zones, amid concerns that jihadists who return to Australia could launch terrorist attacks here.

More than 50 passports have been cancelled due to adverse security assessments in the past two years.

More people are being stopped, but many escape the dragnet and the number of Australians fighting in the Middle East is growing. Some 150 Australians are believed to be in Syria and Iraq assisting Islamists, with about 60 reckoned to be frontline fighters.

Under the changes, ASIO, and possibly the Australian Federal Police, would have the power to make a rapid fire call to the Minister for Foreign Affairs to temporarily revoke a passport, even if ASIO has not completed a security assessment on the individual.

Under the current regime, a full assessment from ASIO must be considered by the Minister for Foreign Affairs before a passport is cancelled, generally for an unlimited duration.

The young age of most of those heading to Syria and Iraq means ASIO and other agencies often have scant information about them, and sometimes have none.

In a review of counter-terrorism laws earlier this year, the independent national security legislation monitor Bret Walker SC said the introduction of interim passport suspensions “would strengthen ASIO’s operational agility”.

“This would include circumstances where ASIO becomes aware at short notice of security dimensions to an individual’s imminent travel or receive no intelligence warning that an individual of security concern intends to travel overseas.”

The changes are part of a suite of measures, which include giving the authorities the explicit power to revoke a passport if the person is suspected of financing terrorism, and of joining a foreign conflict, not just for terrorism reasons.

The government is also weighing whether it can revoke the Australian passports of dual nationals fighting abroad, although this is yet to be finalised and is proving problematic to implement given Australia’s obligations under UN treaties.

The passport reforms are expected to be presented to Parliament when it resumes in late August and September.

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Reply #512 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:52am:
No Sir Bobby they need to return them to the Country in which they trained as a Terrorist with papers , marked 'never to return'.

The last I heard from the Government they were tub thumping, saying they would not be re admitted to Australia?

Why were they let back in?

Now we have a "High Level Threat" because our Government were slothful in reacting.

They knew they were coming back, they had bi partisan support to deal with it and they didn't

Abbott and Co and the main reason we are now on high threat level because they failed in their duty to protect the Nation.

No good closing the bloody gate when the enemy is already in the yard.









we can keep an eye on them here cant we??>..I mean there is a 100 of them???>.. how hard will they be to monitor?  I would think everyone will be watching them...even there own kind...

if they are people that are born here...I am not sure what choice we have other than to take them back... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #513 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:19am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 3:41pm:
15.31, AEST.

BULLSHIT.

The Abbott government is playing the electorate for fools. They’re doing the old security agenda shift to take the heat off their mismanagement of domestic issues.

What other PM goes to TV to announce a security upgrade?

What other PM can’t even specify why our security status is being raised?

The Abbott security game, like Thatcher’s Faulkland war,  is a complete crock - but this time, there’s not even a clear threat. We’re not at war, no one has attacked, and it’s all BULLSHIT.

This is so easy to see, I’m.surprised even the Bolt crowd doesn’t see through it.

No I’m not. They started it.

And Red Baron is the biggest cheerleader. No need to be unduly alarmed indeed. Don’t panic.

Alarmed about what?

The UK raised its alert level from substantial to severe in August.
Sometimes a terrorist alert is just a terrorist alert, PB. There are western jihad is, you know. 60, 31, 57, 93, 42 - how many are you comfortable with?
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Reply #514 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 10:24am
 
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 9:52am:
No Sir Bobby they need to return them to the Country in which they trained as a Terrorist with papers , marked 'never to return'.

The last I heard from the Government they were tub thumping, saying they would not be re admitted to Australia?

Why were they let back in?

Now we have a "High Level Threat" because our Government were slothful in reacting.

They knew they were coming back, they had bi partisan support to deal with it and they didn't

Abbott and Co and the main reason we are now on high threat level because they failed in their duty to protect the Nation.

No good closing the bloody gate when the enemy is already in the yard.




But England had internment without trial for the IRA.

Just lock them up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius

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Operation Demetrius was a British Army operation in Northern Ireland on 9–10 August 1971, during the Troubles. It involved the mass arrest and internment (without trial) of 342 people suspected of being involved with Irish republican paramilitaries (the Provisional IRA and Official IRA), which were waging campaigns against the state. It was proposed by the Northern Ireland Government and approved by the British Government. Armed soldiers launched dawn raids throughout Northern Ireland, sparking four days of violence in which 20 civilians, two Provisional IRA members and two British soldiers were killed. Due mainly to faulty intelligence, many of those arrested were Catholics or Irish nationalists who had no links with republican paramilitaries. Loyalist paramilitaries were also carrying out acts of violence, which were mainly directed against the Catholic and Irish nationalist community, but no loyalists were included in the sweep.[1]

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Reply #515 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am
 
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.
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Reply #516 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:13pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.



No - try  internment without trial.
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Reply #517 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:13pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.



No - try  internment without trial.


Be interesting trying to get that through both houses of Parliament and then past the High Court, Bobby.

Of course, it didn't do very well when it was tried in Northern Ireland.  It's generally recognised as actually worsening the situation when it was used there and prolonging and deepening resentment against British rule as it was used by the Protestants to further oppress the Catholics, being targeted specifically against them.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #518 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.


Be interesting watching a Government try and get that past the High Court for those born here, with native born Australian citizenship.  Where you going to deport them to in that case, Red?    Roll Eyes
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Reply #519 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:54pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:13pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.



No - try  internment without trial.


Be interesting trying to get that through both houses of Parliament and then past the High Court, Bobby.

Of course, it didn't do very well when it was tried in Northern Ireland.  It's generally recognised as actually worsening the situation when it was used there and prolonging and deepening resentment against British rule as it was used by the Protestants to further oppress the Catholics, being targeted specifically against them.    Roll Eyes



But we don't have the resources to watch all the muzzies.
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Reply #520 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 1:13pm:
red baron wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Problem Cods, with surveillance and I harken to my Police days, it is incredibly labour intensive and that is just one target. The human resources that go into 24/7 surveillance of 1 individual are substantial. Try doing that with 60 of them, plus whomever they are training up, which they will be even, as I type this missive.

We need to kick them out of the Country.



No - try  internment without trial.


Be interesting trying to get that through both houses of Parliament and then past the High Court, Bobby.

Of course, it didn't do very well when it was tried in Northern Ireland.  It's generally recognised as actually worsening the situation when it was used there and prolonging and deepening resentment against British rule as it was used by the Protestants to further oppress the Catholics, being targeted specifically against them.    Roll Eyes



But we don't have the resources to watch all the muzzies.


We don't have to watch them all, as not all are involved in any Terrorist activity.  Indeed, to even suggest they should all should be "watched", Bobby displays a level of bigotry towards them.

FD had it right when he said,
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What we need to do is stop alienating the entire muslim community and work with them towards the goals we have in common. The more we tar them all with the same brush, the more we push weaker individuals towards extremism.


All you're going to do with Internment Without Trial is further alienate them, just as the Catholics were in Northern Ireland and we know how well that worked out, now don't we?   Roll Eyes
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We don't have to watch them all, as not all are involved in any Terrorist activity.
Indeed, to even suggest they should all should be "watched", Bobby displays a level of bigotry towards them.



Come on - we'd have to watch 1000s of them.

How are we going to do that?
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Nobody is alienating Muslims but Muslims themselves.
It's their own ideology and their adherence to it that makes them keen to alienate themselves from the infidels. They cultivate  a massive victimhood complex but they deliberately segregating themselves. And numpties like Brain are eager to excuse them from all the mind-wrought prison they inhabit and refuse to be free from.

The ones that are not fussed about Islam are not alienated. They are not demonstrating their opposition to their society in speech, manner, clothes etc.
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Reply #523 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:03pm:
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We don't have to watch them all, as not all are involved in any Terrorist activity.
Indeed, to even suggest they should all should be "watched", Bobby displays a level of bigotry towards them.



Come on - we'd have to watch 1000s of them.


And on what basis do you arrive at that figure, Bobby?

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How are we going to do that?


An excellent question.  Imagine how much harder it is when it's hundreds of thousands, Bobby.

I suppose you could make them sew a nice Green Crescent on their clothing, to make it easier to spot them?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #524 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 13th, 2014 at 2:16pm:
Nobody is alienating Muslims but Muslims themselves.

It's their own ideology and their adherence to it that makes them keen to alienate themselves from the infidels. They cultivate  a massive victimhood complex but they deliberately segregating themselves. And numpties like Brain are eager to excuse them from all the mind-wrought prison they inhabit and refuse to be free from.

The ones that are not fussed about Islam are not alienated. They are not demonstrating their opposition to their society in speech, manner, clothes etc.


So, there is a tiny minority then, who are the problem, Soren?

Doesn't this rather contradict all your other pronouncements on Muslims which have made no effort to differentiate between them and the majority of moderate Muslims?    Roll Eyes
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