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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139641 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #615 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 8:58am red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:07am: The enemy is within and it comes from the Muslims who support ISIS. Which is approximately 0.001% of the Muslim population. Get out from under your bed, red.
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Reply #617 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:07am:

Pec can't answer the question because the answer is GLARINGLY OBVIOUS.

Of course Muslim sentiment will be with ISIS.

Muslim sentiment goes with a range of groups. ISIL is just one military organization with global networks and alliances. There are dozens of others, all with different views on terrorism, Islamic states, fighting in foreign wars, waging military jihad on the home front, etc, etc, etc.

ISIL are on the extreme end of the spectrum. Al Nusra are also up there, but have a different take on the global struggle. Here's what Sidney Jones, Director of the Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict, has to say about these groups in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, on Lateline last night:

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SIDNEY JONES: Basically, all of those people who are committed to jihad but believe that it's counterproductive to wage jihad inside Indonesia are with the al-Nusra Front, and that includes the Jemaah Islamiyah and some other groups that have renounced violence for a long time in Indonesia now. All of the groups that are still committed to terrorist attacks inside Indonesia are aligned with ISIS, so that's how it breaks down.

And here's what she has to say about the popularity of these groups in Indonesia:

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SIDNEY JONES: ...it's also worth noting I have never seen such basic grassroots backlash to ISIS as I've seen in Indonesia now. Communities and mosques and Muslim groups and individuals are using social media, which has been used to recruit ISIS members, to also fight back and that's good thing.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #618 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. Pure speculation, now just where did you get your little teensy weensy sample from Greg. Did you do a straw poll on North Sydney station?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96641	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #619 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 3:35pm red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm: Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. But Red, what happened to your crystal ball?
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Reply #620 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. Pure speculation ...

And tell me again, why should anyone take notice of it?

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

... now just where did you get your little teensy weensy sample from Greg.

I asked six Muslims. Every one of them said that they don't support ISIS. I then made an adjustment for error (which is foreign to me, by the way).

Undecided

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Reply #621 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:34pm

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. Pure speculation, now just where did you get your little teensy weensy sample from Greg.

Did you do a straw poll on North Sydney station? Cheesy

do numbers really matter.... if you were on a train with 1000 aussies on it and one muslim but that muslim had a bomb strapped to him..... would it really matter if he was the only extreme muslim in this country????..would we look at the crime and say .. oh well it could have been worse???...the mere thought we have ONE Muslim extremist who is contemplating beheadings walking the streets makes me shudder..

I tend to look at things as

"That Could Happen to ME"

or someone I know..

rather than..

that would only ever happen to OTHER PEOPLE.

so 1 or a hundred.....its evil.....

and this evil appears to be catching.

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Reply #622 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

cods wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. Pure speculation, now just where did you get your little teensy weensy sample from Greg.

Did you do a straw poll on North Sydney station? Cheesy

do numbers really matter.... if you were on a train with 1000 aussies on it and one muslim but that muslim had a bomb strapped to him..... would it really matter if he was the only extreme muslim in this country????..would we look at the crime and say .. oh well it could have been worse???...the mere thought we have ONE Muslim extremist who is contemplating beheadings walking the streets makes me shudder..

I tend to look at things as

"That Could Happen to ME"

or someone I know..

rather than..

that would only ever happen to OTHER PEOPLE.

so 1 or a hundred.....its evil.....

and this evil appears to be catching.

True, dear, but what if that 1 Muslim wasn't really a Muslim but, say, a backpacker killer, or a Port Arthur Massacrer, or a Sydney Airport Bikie shooter, or just a big tough guy who takes out random passers-by with one king hit?

Do you shudder at the thought of them as well?

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Reply #623 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

cods wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:34pm:

red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. Pure speculation, now just where did you get your little teensy weensy sample from Greg.

Did you do a straw poll on North Sydney station? Cheesy

do numbers really matter.... if you were on a train with 1000 aussies on it and one muslim but that muslim had a bomb strapped to him..... would it really matter if he was the only extreme muslim in this country????..would we look at the crime and say .. oh well it could have been worse???...the mere thought we have ONE Muslim extremist who is contemplating beheadings walking the streets makes me shudder..

I tend to look at things as

"That Could Happen to ME"

or someone I know..

rather than..

that would only ever happen to OTHER PEOPLE.

so 1 or a hundred.....its evil.....

and this evil appears to be catching.

True, dear, but what if that 1 Muslim wasn't really a Muslim but, say, a backpacker killer, or a Port Arthur Massacrer, or a Sydney Airport Bikie shooter, or just a big tough guy who takes out random passers-by with one king hit?

Do you shudder at the thought of them as well?

Not unless Ms Grimshaw tells her to.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #624 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:24pm Why Karnal I thought you knew already, that 10% IS in the crystal ball. Personally I think the crystal ball is bullsh...ing me. I think it is most probably more like 20% of the Muslims here who hold ISIL dear. PS Karnal, haven't heard of many back packers planning to cut someone's head off.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139641 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #625 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:26pm Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 3:35pm: red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:22pm: Greg, my 10% I plucked out of the air. But Red, what happened to your crystal ball? Red has crystal balls? That explains why he walks funny.
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Reply #626 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

Don't go letting on to the Jihadists in your local area that your a team player, just not their team.

You see Jihardists don't like that team. They are intent on killing out that team, so I'd keep my team association right away from them.

Mind you Greg that team doesn't worry me in the slightest but then this isn't downtown ISIL ville, at least it isn't yet.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139641 Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #627 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:32pm red baron wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:31pm: Don't go letting on to the Jihadists in your local area ... Is there a sign on their door?
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Not interested in the Middle East? - You should be Reply #628 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:43pm No...no, you've got to know the secret handshake. Also you have to pass a DNA test that you come from ISIL ville. The initiation..so they know you've truly come across to 'their' team, is you must be prepared to cut the balls off your boyfriend.
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Reply #629 - Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:12pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 4:41pm:

True, dear, but what if that 1 Muslim wasn't really a Muslim but, say, a backpacker killer, or a Port Arthur Massacrer, or a Sydney Airport Bikie shooter, or just a big tough guy who takes out random passers-by with one king hit?

Do you shudder at the thought of them as well?

Get back to us when these guys organise themselves into a common creed, complete with preachers hot for worldwide struggle agaist anyone who doesn't submit to their creed, an international network of armed militants financed by countries governed by their belief in backpacker killing, port arthur massacring or bikie shooting - and with increasing migration from those countries to Australia and to other wester countries.
In other words, get back to us when you have found a demographic that actually resembles the jihadis. Until then you are just talking shite, as usual.

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