Karnal wrote on Sep 27^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

There's another, more obvious, reason for their reluctance... Arising from realpolitik as opposed to complacent smugness of the ruling elite. That being, a significant and potent minority of their subjects support the actions of Islamists. ISIS is only one of many Islamist sects all with similar ambitions and differing only by varying degrees of preparedness to express extreme religious fanaticism.

In the end it will be Christians versus Muslims.

The fanatical brand of Islam view Christians as 'Infidels'. They have already called a Jihad against the Western Countries.

This is going to be a long protracted fight. Muslims have established themselves in all Western countries to larger of lesser degree. Many of these Muslims are so called 'moderates'.

But if it comes to a knock them down drag them out War, they will side with their brothers.

We feel insulated here but never forget we have 500,000 Muslims amongst us.

It is highly likely that the 'new' conflict involving Western allies will be a long and protracted one.

You can expect reprisals rights across the west as local 'fanatical Muslims' endeavour to cripple us.

I can only see this War in the Middle East eventually becoming an ultimate struggle of East versus West.

red baron wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

I think the answer is to continue the destruction of religious extremism and go quietly about it.

We must accept that it will be a fight that will be fought over decades so as not to be held culturally or politically hostage to it.

Just as the British learned to go on with 20th century life in the wake of IRA attacks, so we too must go about our 21st century lives without succumbing to a state of hysteria into which religious extremist zealots want to lead us.

Their weapon is instilling terror in a society in the hopes of provoking an over-reaction.

Let us just get on with the destruction of religious extremism while living as if it didn't exist.

red baron wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

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be fair red.. its the extreme Muslims they even kill other Muslims.. not just Christians..

throughout history its always been the zealots.that take conflict to the outer edges of human behavior

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 29^th, 2014 at 9:44am:



yes, a good post north.
since my visit to the mosque and meeting some really quite pleasant guys, they have sent me some literature.
this includes

there is no compulsion to religion
(Al-Baqrah , verse 257)

whoever kills a person ...it shall be as if he killed all mankind (Al maidah , verse 33)

obey the government!!

"obey allah and his messenger and those in authority among you" (Al-nisa, verse 60).

in my horse training principles of rewarding good behaviour and punishing bad behaviour, it would seem that the attacks on Isis are punishment for bad behaviour but we must reward and nurture good behaviour.

Kicking prams, attacking women on trains, this is punishment that would be as counter productive as randomly whipping a horse for no reason. it is unhelpful.

the battle for this war will be fought in suburbia and people like pansi and the socialist alliance who see our war effort as war crimes etc, are just going to alienate the good people of suburbia.

it is the good people of suburbia (yet again) who will have to do the work of building true relationships with the muslim community and they will have to do it whilst they are called racists by the socialist elite, whilst they are called snivelling cowards by certain people and whilst they get no support for their hard work from any in authority. 

The media and the government will use it to sell papers and chest thump and win votes but the good/great people of suburban Australia will prevail as always and the muslims will be assimilated.

Like wild brumbys , when dealt with with fairness and respect, they eventually come to love and accept their new "community". a community based on sport, maccas and playstation.They eventually come to love the aussie way of life more than the aussies.

The western way is the best way (look at Dubai ...it looks like the gold coast on steroids)

aquascoot wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Much worse than unhelpful... It is unjust...

Nothing cuts as deeply as injustice done.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:07am:



Ah, indeed north.

Did you hear labor minister bourke before the last election .
he said

"the idea that the people of western Sydney are affected by immigrants is truly bizarre. "


now this followed comments by a liberal candidate that the people of western Sydney felt the high levels of immigration were affecting services like hospital casualties, roads etc.

and it is unjust to

1  put all the immigrants in already overcrowded suburbs with much poorer services than inner city rich suburbs

2  then go on to say if the residents complain they are "red necks" or 'racists"

this is unjust and as you say
"nothing cuts as deeply as injustice'

what we need is political commentators (and PM abbott has been speaking well on this) to say

congratulations to the fine, wonderful, accepting and unselfish people of suburban Australia.

we don't need politicians saying that any concerns are "bizarre"

red baron wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:31am:



you miss the point.. HITLER WASN'T SUCCESSFUL

like I said.. idealism only last a short time...mainly because those who lead get lost....Hitler did the right thing by the Germans he got them out of depression and austerity but used the wrong way and with the wrong reasons..

evil never really prevails....sooner or later those that join start asking questions and looking at those who are running it.. and they are usually fanatical to the point where they even hate their own followers...

is it KARMA or what goes around comes around...a bit of both....

but in the end.. good will outstrip evil...

99% of people are moderates but that 1% can be hell and we have no choice but to fight fire with fire....

havent you noticed... Hitler was STRONG Germany was STRONG.they prepared for WW11 for a long time..Britain was weak didnt even have an airforce had to borrow like hell from America...but she didnt PANIC...Germany thought they had won even before the clash...Russia is a good point...so arrogant.....and the ISIL is the same...think they can bash and murder their way to being accepted.. I dont think so.