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Reply #105 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:16pm

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Men who followed and believed in hitler had no problems at all, in performing the barbaric inhumanities carried out by nazis 60 years ago.

It would have very much depended upon the individual, Moses. According to Christopher Browning in his book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, liberal use of alcohol and drugs was required to help the men carry out their orders to massacre and kill Jews and others in Poland. Nervous breakdowns were not uncommon either apparently. Some came so desensitised they came to relish their duties but they were in the minority apparently. Roll Eyes

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Reply #106 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

And Uncle's response to those Islamicist attacks was to - wait for it - invade a secular regime and open it up to Al Qaida and the IS boys.

The IS boys do seem rather fixated on Sunni real estate, and I must admit, if I was in Iran I wouldn't want them living next door, but that's just me.

These two points demonstrate the importance of Uncle staying out. Not only did he spectacularly fail in every judgement call he made last time, it's an issue of Sunni real estate best managed by Sunnis.

If Uncle and his coalition go in this time, they'll be the lead agency in the 1400 year civil war you mention. They will also be opening their own real estate up to the IS boys' caliphate.

I'm sure there's a quote in the Quran about it. You know, if the enemy doesn't submit, sieze their real estate.

It's hardly a possibility, but we know how the IS boys see real estate. It's not so much land as lots of live human bodies who need to have their blood spilled for the glory of Gud.

Of we could be sure that it is a localised sunni/shia internal civil war, we would leave them to themselves, like we left the Iraqis and Iranians to slug it out, regretting only that both of them couldn't lose.

Are you kidding? Uncle backed Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war and couldn’t bear the possibility of seeing two oil producers lose.

Is your understanding of history really that inept?

Do you really actually believe what you write?

I’m.going to stay positive, old boy, and assume you haven’t had your enema yet.

Hurry up.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #107 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:03pm http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/20/ifonlybothsidescouldlose Henry Kissinger.
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Reply #108 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:06pm

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ISIS needs to be dealt with - I’m not sure how. But comparing the threat of radical Islam today with the global security threats we’ve seen only very recently in Western history is ludicrous. Hundreds of millions were killed in the wars of the 20th century - more if we include the clean-ups afterwards. All these wars were between the Western powers and Western offshoots like the USSR.

About a million died in the Iran Iraq war. ISIS is small, but has already resulted in the death of at least 10000 civilians - a number growing rapidly. Given it's appeal to Muslims, it has the potential to expand rapidly and linger for a very long time.

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These two points demonstrate the importance of Uncle staying out. Not only did he spectacularly fail in every judgement call he made last time, it's an issue of Sunni real estate best managed by Sunnis.

Are you suggesting we should not even help?

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Only 60 years ago, they said the same about Germans. If, by your claim that "the parallels between nazi atrocities, islamic atrocities, hitler and muhammad are evident", why are there all these Germans hanging out in Europe, freely going about their business? Are they not a threat to all 21st century civilised societies?

The Germans abandoned Nazism. Had they held onto it, they would still be a grave threat to modern civilisation.

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It would have very much depended upon the individual, Moses. According to Christopher Browning in his book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, liberal use of alcohol and drugs was required to help the men carry out their orders to massacre and kill Jews and others in Poland.

ISIS bans alcohol and drugs. They use religion instead.

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Reply #109 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:24pm

Not even help?

FD, Australia is "helping" by badgering the US to get involved. Any "help" Australia offers will be incredibly limited. Croatia will probably give more help than Australia.

Australia should help by working in a diplomatic capacity to get the Arab states on board. We should help by sending funds to the right people.

If Arab Joe decides to reinstate the aid budget again.

Australia is currently making a lot of noise, but even Julie Bishop is talking stingy on her offer of help. You want to help?

Send the old boy in to mediate - a win-win for all.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #110 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:29pm You are having hot flushes, bint.
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Reply #111 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

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ISIS needs to be dealt with - I’m not sure how. But comparing the threat of radical Islam today with the global security threats we’ve seen only very recently in Western history is ludicrous. Hundreds of millions were killed in the wars of the 20th century - more if we include the clean-ups afterwards. All these wars were between the Western powers and Western offshoots like the USSR.

...ISIS is small, but has already resulted in the death of at least 10000 civilians - a number growing rapidly...

What a load of bollocks! Where is the proof?

I may as well say that Tony Abbott has killed a million people.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #112 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:09pm Normally I would also ask FD for the source of the 10k figure - but he'll probably just reply that its either deferring to common sense or stating the bleeding obvious. Either that or pull out some bizarre, non-sensical quip about checking the receipts or something.
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Reply #113 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:37am

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

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It would have very much depended upon the individual, Moses. According to Christopher Browning in his book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, liberal use of alcohol and drugs was required to help the men carry out their orders to massacre and kill Jews and others in Poland.

ISIS bans alcohol and drugs. They use religion instead.

So? So have Christians when committing Genocide... Roll Eyes

Oh, and you can guarantee no sly grogging goes on in the Caliphate? Roll Eyes

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Reply #114 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 1:19am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:37am:

freediver wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:06pm:

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It would have very much depended upon the individual, Moses. According to Christopher Browning in his book, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, liberal use of alcohol and drugs was required to help the men carry out their orders to massacre and kill Jews and others in Poland.

ISIS bans alcohol and drugs. They use religion instead.

So? So have Christians when committing Genocide... Roll Eyes

So in what way does that excuse Muslims?

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Reply #115 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:28pm

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/20/ifonlybothsidescouldlose

Henry Kissinger.

2006 Soren. And it wasn't by Kissinger at all, it references him just once. Seems you didn't read it but why am I not surprised. Tell us, what do you think of it's criticism of Ratzinger's remarks, "spineless apologetics"? Grin

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Reply #116 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/sep/20/ifonlybothsidescouldlose

Henry Kissinger.

2006 Soren. And it wasn't by Kissinger at all, it references him just once. Seems you didn't read it but why am I not surprised. Tell us, what do you think of it's criticism of Ratzinger's remarks, "spineless apologetics"? Grin

The old boy merely Googled this to reference Kissenger’s comment.

I wonder if he realises that he’s posted the natural enemy of the old boy: a Guardian columnist.

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Reply #117 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:27pm

Karnal wrote: Quote:

No no, I'm just trying to understand your argument. I'm only trying to help, you know.

Are you implying that **all these Muslims hanging out around the world, freely going about their business** follow and believe in ISIS as the correct way for them?

I promise to stand by your words too, Moses.

**all these muslims hanging out around the world, freely going about their business** certainly believe in the conglomeration of evil e.g.: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hid'th as the correct way for them, exactly as isis does.

isis are physically acting out their correctly held and verifiable beliefs.

muslims and their apologists, who refuse to condemn those commands, teachings, verses in the conglomeration of evil, which authorize, condone and glorify, terrorism, torture and mass murder, are giving moral support to isis.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: islamic Reply #118 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:30pm I'm waiting for the islamic terrorism apologetic hot Breath to: Give me the commands directed at Christians which which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities so I know what he's talking about
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Reply #119 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

moses wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 3:27pm:

Karnal wrote: Quote:

No no, I'm just trying to understand your argument. I'm only trying to help, you know.

Are you implying that **all these Muslims hanging out around the world, freely going about their business** follow and believe in ISIS as the correct way for them?

I promise to stand by your words too, Moses.

**all these muslims hanging out around the world, freely going about their business** certainly believe in the conglomeration of evil e.g.: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hid'th as the correct way for them, exactly as isis does.

isis are physically acting out their correctly held and verifiable beliefs.

muslims and their apologists, who refuse to condemn those commands, teachings, verses in the conglomeration of evil, which authorize, condone and glorify, terrorism, torture and mass murder, are giving moral support to isis.

Except that Muslims and their apologists hate ISIL too. A number have volunteered to fight.

You, on the other hand, say that Muslims are prepared to wage a ground war against ISIS, but similtaneously support them.

Who’s going to fall for that?

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