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Reply #165 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

Moses, which dictionary? Please provide a link to the definition, otherwise we'll just think you're making it up.

The Oxford University Dictionary definition of the word "lie" doesn't mention anything about truth or untruth

Perhaps you're using the wrong word? "Deceive" appears a better one, much less emotionally charged.

Of course, you still have to prove that Brian intentionally intended to deceive you, Moses. You're not doing a very good job here at the moment... Grin

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Reply #166 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

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........they are practising "taqiyya"....

which is in the koran.
As is beheading, chopping off hands, beating your wife.

Similar stuff in the Bible! Grin

it is not commanded in the bible.
It is in the koran.

christians don't chop heads off quoting the bible.
muslims chop heads off quoting the koran.

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Reply #167 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

Hot Breath thanks for the chance to once again expose Brian.

Lie

noun: lie;

plural noun: lies

1. an intentionally false statement.

synonyms: untruth, falsehood, fib, fabrication, deception, made-up story, trumped-up story, invention, piece of fiction, fiction, falsification, falsity, barefaced lie;

antonyms: truth, fact

•used with reference to a situation involving intentional deception

Verb

verb: lie; lies; past tense: lied; past participle: lied; gerund or present participle: lying

1. tell a lie or lies.

synonyms: say something untrue, tell an untruth, tell a lie, tell a falsehood, fib, fabricate, falsify, dissemble, dissimulate, bear false witness;

perjure oneself, commit perjury, forswear oneself, be forsworn;
depart from the truth;

deceive, delude, mislead, hoax,

I unequivocally state Brian Ross is a proven liar on this debate site

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Reply #168 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:48pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

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........they are practising "taqiyya"....

which is in the koran.
As is beheading, chopping off hands, beating your wife.

Similar stuff in the Bible! Grin

it is not commanded in the bible.

Beatings:

Proverbs 10:6
Proverbs 23:13-14
Proverbs 22:15
Proverbs 29:1
Sirach 23:22-25

Killing unbelievers:

Joshua 7:19-26
Joshua 6:26-27
Jeremiah 51:20-26
Zechariah 13:7-9
Psalms 149:1-9
Genesis 34:21-31
Judges 9:42-49

Slavery:

Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:7-11

Fate if you fail to obey God's commands:

Deuteronomy 28:20-29
Deuteronomy 28:45-57
Deuteronomy 28:58-68

Punishment for theft:

Exodus 21:16
Exodus 22:3-4
Deuteronomy 24:7

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Reply #169 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:55pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 12:44pm:

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........they are practising "taqiyya"....

which is in the koran.
As is beheading, chopping off hands, beating your wife.

Similar stuff in the Bible! Grin

it is not commanded in the bible.

Not just the above, Sprint, stoning:

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Say to the Israelites: Any Israelite or foreigner living in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death; the people of the country are to stone him.

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A man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist must be put to death. They are to be stoned; their blood is on their own hands.

Burning:

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If a man marries a woman and her mother, it is depraved. Both he and they must be burned with fire, so that there will be no depravity among you.

Generalized killing:

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If a man has sexual intercourse with an animal, he must be put to death; you are also to kill the animal.

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If a woman comes near any animal and mates with it, you are to kill the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their own blood is on them.

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If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or mother; his blood is on his own hands

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A man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist must be put to death. They are to be stoned; their blood is on their own hands.

Amputation:

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you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity

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When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

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And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears. ... Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt ... pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

And before you say Jesus came along to end all that nasty Jewish killing and torture, here's what Jesus Himself had to say:

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Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.

As an avid Bible scholar (and sprint-cyclist), you know all this is in the Bible.

Why would you pretend that it's not?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #170 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:15pm karnal - that's for jews. It's in the OT. Not for chrisitians. Proof being, christians do not do any of that and quote the bible
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #171 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:16pm hot breath - - that's for jews. It's in the OT. Not for chrisitians. Proof being, christians do not do any of that and quote the bible
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #172 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:26pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:16pm: hot breath - - that's for jews. It's in the OT. Not for chrisitians. Proof being, christians do not do any of that and quote the bible Christian extremists quote the Old Testament all the time.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96218 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #173 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:31pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:15pm: karnal - that's for jews. It's in the OT. That's strange. I've never heard you saying Jews should be banned. Shurely shome mishtake, eh?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96218 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #174 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:32pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:15pm: Not for chrisitians. Quote: Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.
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Reply #175 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Not for chrisitians.

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Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.

karnal - read it.

no Christians behead people and quote the bible to justify their ations.

muslims do that and use the koran

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Reply #176 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:03pm

The Bible is not the eternal, unalterable word of Allah.
That is why both Judaism and Christianity have been undergoing reforms and reformations-christianity being the first reformation of Judaism.
And so no one adheres to the archaic punishments in the OT, and no-one is agitating for the return to the norms and values of 600 BC or 50 AD Judea. No-one.
Can' say the same for the Koran. Its archaic rulings and punishments are followed today, and where not, the push is on to return to 700 AD Arabia.

Islam is essentially anachronistic.

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Reply #177 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:11pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Not for chrisitians.

Quote:

Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.

karnal - read it.

no Christians behead people and quote the bible to justify their ations.

muslims do that and use the koran

Christians have done this for the last 2000 years, all in the name of Christianity. The ones who did it in the name of something else - the Republic - invented a machine to do it quicker.

Jesus came to teach a new way, and his so-called followers did the opposite of what he taught.

ISIL are similar parodies of anything resembling knowledge, wisdom or spiritual teachings. Like them, you’d happily kill em all and let God sort it out, despite the fact that this goes completely against the words and actions of your so-called saviour.

Such hypocrisy matters, even if your book is far bloodier than the Quran. If you want to rise above the Old Testament, you shouldn’t pretend it doesn’t exist.

It surely does.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: islamic Reply #178 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:29pm karnal - where are Christians rampantly trying to impose the rule of Christianity over every person ?
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Reply #179 - Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:31pm

Soren wrote on Sep 16^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

The Bible is not the eternal, unalterable word of Allah.
That is why both Judaism and Christianity have been undergoing reforms and reformations-christianity being the first reformation of Judaism.
And so no one adheres to the archaic punishments in the OT, and no-one is agitating for the return to the norms and values of 600 BC or 50 AD Judea. No-one.
Can' say the same for the Koran. Its archaic rulings and punishments are followed today, and where not, the push is on to return to 700 AD Arabia.

Islam is essentially anachronistic.

The Bible tells the same story it always has.
It is unchanged.

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