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Reply #60 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:53am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

The Eureka flag’s been used by racist groups like Australia First and National Action since the 70s. It was all over their "Asians Out" signs and pamphlet in the 80s.

The flag had its origins in the 1854 miners’ rebellion in Ballarat, a labour movement that was almost overtaken by a group that sought to throw the Chinese out.

The union movement in Australia has always had a racist streak. The White Australia Policy was supported by the Labor Party to keep out lower-waged Islander cane cutters. When China turned red, yellow peril did the trick - a communist and racist threat in one.

Today, with organised labour all but gone, a new menace presents to distract us from how we organize our work and our lives.

Today, we blame Islam.

The Eureka flag is a nice symbol for the tensions in the Australian dream.

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Reply #61 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57am

freediver wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 7^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Phelps - isolated, including by law (respect for America's fallen heroes act).
Kony - you haven't given us anything other than a reporter's surmise.

No, a reporter's report of what one of Kony's military commanders knew about the man, Soren.

Both are, if we use YOUR logic, sterling examples of Christian belief and thinking.

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If this is what you think is equal counterweight to the Islamic ideology of countless Muslim terrorist organizations, than you a sadder, more deluded numpty than anyone expected.
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Soren, you still miss the point. Not atypical I've discovered amongst the more vehement zealots. Takfiri just can't accept alternative explanations, nay they can't even tolerate them. You are a most excellent graduate of that Madrassah that you attended! Your Iman must be so pleased with your efforts to bring the true version of Islam to us unbelievers! Wink

Brian can you find any Australian churches selling selling Kony flags? How about Australian Christians flying over to fight for Kony? Our Muslims managed to get together about 100. Surely our much larger Christian community can put together a whole army, if your "logic" of equating them is anything more than spineless apologetics.

Poor FD, poor, poor, FD. You miss the point, yet again. I wonder sometimes why you bother with this crusade against all things Islam and all Muslims. Is it bigotry, pure and simple or is there something a little more sinister behind it? Is it a double-bluff, Taqiyya, as Karnal has suggested? I don't know, all I know is that you keep making pathetic attempts to make excuses for your and others behaviour towards Muslims.

When I equate Kony and Phelps to radical Islam, I do so to show the fallacy of your logic. If the Islamist Salafists speak for Islam as you claim, why do they have so little support in the Muslim world? It is akin to the claim that Kony and Phelps speaks for Christianity. You know it's ridiculous, I know it's ridiculous - its an example of argument absurdium. It isn't intended to be a serious attempt to claim the Islamists and Kony/Phelps are the same, rather it is an attempt to show how absurd your argument is. It shows how silly your views on Islam are and you don't like it, so you attack me, personally instead and attempt to claim I am a "spineless apologetic". Roll Eyes

Keep it up, FD, it simply exposes your bigoted viewpoint for what it is - bigotry.

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Reply #62 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

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Reply #63 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be.....

where as if anyone dare to suggest keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries we get called RACIST..or bigots....

there is a mystery about Islam I dont understand it and never will....like most thing its meanings gets twisted for the benefit of those that hide behind it...

ISIS for all I know just enjoys killing its a power thing......do they really find time for all the beheading and all the other bloodlusting in between prayers?? or do they have a special time set out for that purpose.??...or maybe praying is as important to extremists? Roll Eyes

have they lost their way??.. or are aussies being racist and demanding.??....

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Reply #64 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:51am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57am:

Poor FD, poor, poor, FD. You miss the point, yet again. I wonder sometimes why you bother with this crusade against all things Islam and all Muslims. Is it bigotry, pure and simple or is there something a little more sinister behind it? Is it a double-bluff, Taqiyya, as Karnal has suggested? I don't know, all I know is that you keep making pathetic attempts to make excuses for your and others behaviour towards Muslims.

When I equate Kony and Phelps to radical Islam, I do so to show the fallacy of your logic. If the Islamist Salafists speak for Islam as you claim, why do they have so little support in the Muslim world? It is akin to the claim that Kony and Phelps speaks for Christianity. You know it's ridiculous, I know it's ridiculous - its an example of argument absurdium. It isn't intended to be a serious attempt to claim the Islamists and Kony/Phelps are the same, rather it is an attempt to show how absurd your argument is. It shows how silly your views on Islam are and you don't like it, so you attack me, personally instead and attempt to claim I am a "spineless apologetic". Roll Eyes

Keep it up, FD, it simply exposes your bigoted viewpoint for what it is - bigotry.

You have not made any points, Brain, and you have exposed nothing except your own lack of argument (other than huffing and puffing). You simply equate extensive records of Islamic justifications for IS, Hamas et al with - nothing from Kony and Phelps. You declare equivalence without the slightest proof.

Islamists are extensively documented and they utterances are impeccably based on the Koran. They are supported by Muslims around the world. IS is controlling vast areas with oil and weapons. Hamas is in government in Gaza, there is a civil war in Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood was elected to govern in Egypt, the mullahs have been in power for over 30 years in Iran, etc, etc, etc. Saudi, Pakistan, the Taliban, Lybia, Sudan, Yemen, are all deeply Islamic and utterly unfree and disgusting places because of their Islamic ideology. They are not notable for their perversions of Islam but for their strictest adherence to it. There is nothing in any of their declarations and statements that YOU could point to as unIslamic. Nothing.

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Reply #65 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:19am

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be....

So blowing up a Maoist bookshop in Melbourne in the 1970s doesn’t count as terrorism?

That’s good to know, dear. A supplimentary if I may - why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

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Reply #66 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:58am

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

Tell that to his victims.

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now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be.....

The law ignored him for quite a few years until he started acting out his Krystalnacht fantasies.

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where as if anyone dare to suggest keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries we get called RACIST..or bigots....

Perhaps the problem is you don't suggest, "keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries," but rather you and your ilk call for the persecution of all Muslims and even their deportation and the banning of the immigration of all Muslims to Australia, not on the basis of anything they may have actually done but because of something someone else completely different may have done several thousands of kilometres away.

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there is a mystery about Islam I dont understand it and never will....like most thing its meanings gets twisted for the benefit of those that hide behind it...

And this is unique in what way? All religions are like that.

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have they lost their way??.. or are aussies being racist and demanding.??....

Yes and yes. Grin

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Reply #67 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:33pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

your ilk call for the persecution of all Muslims and even their deportation and the banning of the immigration of all Muslims to Australia, not on the basis of anything they may have actually done but because of something someone else completely different may have done several thousands of kilometres away.

Shurely not!

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Reply #68 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

Tell that to his victims.

WHAT VICTIMS ARE THEY AS I SAID.. HE IS DOING A LOT OF JAIL TIME..

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now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be.....

The law ignored him for quite a few years until he started acting out his Krystalnacht fantasies.

HOW COME HE HAS FLOWN UNDER THE RADAR THEN?? HOW VIOLENT IS HE

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where as if anyone dare to suggest keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries we get called RACIST..or bigots....

Perhaps the problem is you don't suggest, "keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries," but rather you and your ilk call for the persecution of all Muslims and even their deportation and the banning of the immigration of all Muslims to Australia, not on the basis of anything they may have actually done but because of something someone else completely different may have done several thousands of kilometres away.

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there is a mystery about Islam I dont understand it and never will....like most thing its meanings gets twisted for the benefit of those that hide behind it...

And this is unique in what way? All religions are like that.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE OTHER WELL KNOW RELIGIONS THAT TELL THEIR FOLLOWS TO GO OUT AND KILL ANYONE THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN THEIR RELIGION???

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have they lost their way??.. or are aussies being racist and demanding.??....

Yes and yes. Grin

CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC??

WHY IS IT RACISTS TO BE AGAINST SUCH APPALLING VIOLENCE

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Reply #69 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 1:51pm

Soren wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:57am:

Poor FD, poor, poor, FD. You miss the point, yet again. I wonder sometimes why you bother with this crusade against all things Islam and all Muslims. Is it bigotry, pure and simple or is there something a little more sinister behind it? Is it a double-bluff, Taqiyya, as Karnal has suggested? I don't know, all I know is that you keep making pathetic attempts to make excuses for your and others behaviour towards Muslims.

When I equate Kony and Phelps to radical Islam, I do so to show the fallacy of your logic. If the Islamist Salafists speak for Islam as you claim, why do they have so little support in the Muslim world? It is akin to the claim that Kony and Phelps speaks for Christianity. You know it's ridiculous, I know it's ridiculous - its an example of argument absurdium. It isn't intended to be a serious attempt to claim the Islamists and Kony/Phelps are the same, rather it is an attempt to show how absurd your argument is. It shows how silly your views on Islam are and you don't like it, so you attack me, personally instead and attempt to claim I am a "spineless apologetic". Roll Eyes

Keep it up, FD, it simply exposes your bigoted viewpoint for what it is - bigotry.

You have not made any points, Brain, and you have exposed nothing except your own lack of argument (other than huffing and puffing). You simply equate extensive records of Islamic justifications for IS, Hamas et al with - nothing from Kony and Phelps. You declare equivalence without the slightest proof.

Islamists are extensively documented and they utterances are impeccably based on the Koran. They are supported by Muslims around the world. IS is controlling vast areas with oil and weapons. Hamas is in government in Gaza, there is a civil war in Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood was elected to govern in Egypt, the mullahs have been in power for over 30 years in Iran, etc, etc, etc. Saudi, Pakistan, the Taliban, Lybia, Sudan, Yemen, are all deeply Islamic and utterly unfree and disgusting places because of their Islamic ideology. They are not notable for their perversions of Islam but for their strictest adherence to it. There is nothing in any of their declarations and statements that YOU could point to as unIslamic. Nothing.

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Reply #70 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

Tell that to his victims.

WHAT VICTIMS ARE THEY AS I SAID.. HE IS DOING A LOT OF JAIL TIME..

The owners of the Chinese Restaurants that he had firebombed? David Locke?

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now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be.....

The law ignored him for quite a few years until he started acting out his Krystalnacht fantasies.

HOW COME HE HAS FLOWN UNDER THE RADAR THEN?? HOW VIOLENT IS HE

He "flew", he no longer "flies" under the radar.

I'd suggest murder and fire bombing were pretty violent, don't you Sprint?

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where as if anyone dare to suggest keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries we get called RACIST..or bigots....

Perhaps the problem is you don't suggest, "keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries," but rather you and your ilk call for the persecution of all Muslims and even their deportation and the banning of the immigration of all Muslims to Australia, not on the basis of anything they may have actually done but because of something someone else completely different may have done several thousands of kilometres away.

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there is a mystery about Islam I dont understand it and never will....like most thing its meanings gets twisted for the benefit of those that hide behind it...

And this is unique in what way? All religions are like that.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE OTHER WELL KNOW RELIGIONS THAT TELL THEIR FOLLOWS TO GO OUT AND KILL ANYONE THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN THEIR RELIGION???

Christianity has a long record of doing exactly that Sprint.

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have they lost their way??.. or are aussies being racist and demanding.??....

Yes and yes. Grin

CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC??

Are you really that stupid?

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WHY IS IT RACISTS TO BE AGAINST SUCH APPALLING VIOLENCE

It isn't. It is racist or bigoted to claim all members of an ethnic/religious group are involved when demonstrably they are not. Are you really that stupid you can't grasp that?

Why are you shouting? Grin

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Reply #71 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:16pm

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why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

Answer: 1.5 billion muslims and their innumerable apologists all bound by the terrorism, torture and mass murder, which is instructed, condoned and glorified, by the conglomeration of evil: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th.

Other terrorist nutjobs pale into insignificance, when compared with your islamic mates.

I challenge muslims and their apologists to declare as evil, wrong and totally irrelevant in the 21st century, the teachings and commands of islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th, which are the root cause of islamic terrorism.

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Reply #72 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 5:59pm

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Karnal wrote: Quote:

why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

Answer: 1.5 billion muslims and their innumerable apologists all bound by the terrorism, torture and mass murder, which is instructed, condoned and glorified, by the conglomeration of evil: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th.

Other terrorist nutjobs pale into insignificance, when compared with your islamic mates.

Oh, I know. Seven million Jews killed in an industrial production process less than 60 years ago. The root cause of that one was:

1. Adolf Hitler.
2. Racial ideology.
3. Something sinister in the geist of the German people.
4. The dialectics of modernity and the telos of Western rationality.
5. Islam.

Take your time, Moses. It used to be thought that the very existence of humankind depended on the answer to that question.

Before we had Islam, I mean.

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Reply #73 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 3:04pm:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

cods wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

freediver wrote on Sep 9^th, 2014 at 7:02pm:

I've never associated the Eureka flag with racism, or known it to be. It's associated with the union movement, and at worst, rednecks. I think you are confusing Australia and America.

No, FD, he's right. National Action in the 1990s took over the Eureka Flag and perverted it's meaning. Jack van Tongeren has a lot to answer for. Roll Eyes

thats interesting I have never heard of him... so had to check with wiki...he seems to have spent more time in jail than anywhere else.. but the fact that he doesnt have a broad image tells me he is a bit of a non event..

Tell that to his victims.

WHAT VICTIMS ARE THEY AS I SAID.. HE IS DOING A LOT OF JAIL TIME..

The owners of the Chinese Restaurants that he had firebombed? David Locke?

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now if he had chopped heads off or chopped a man up in the middle of a busy street I could understand your concern...as it is it looks very much to me like the law are keeping an eye on him and his little group.. and thats as should be.....

The law ignored him for quite a few years until he started acting out his Krystalnacht fantasies.

HOW COME HE HAS FLOWN UNDER THE RADAR THEN?? HOW VIOLENT IS HE

He "flew", he no longer "flies" under the radar.

I'd suggest murder and fire bombing were pretty violent, don't you Sprint?

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where as if anyone dare to suggest keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries we get called RACIST..or bigots....

Perhaps the problem is you don't suggest, "keeping an eye on or even banning certain extremist groups from other countries," but rather you and your ilk call for the persecution of all Muslims and even their deportation and the banning of the immigration of all Muslims to Australia, not on the basis of anything they may have actually done but because of something someone else completely different may have done several thousands of kilometres away.

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there is a mystery about Islam I dont understand it and never will....like most thing its meanings gets twisted for the benefit of those that hide behind it...

And this is unique in what way? All religions are like that.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE OTHER WELL KNOW RELIGIONS THAT TELL THEIR FOLLOWS TO GO OUT AND KILL ANYONE THAT DOESNT BELIEVE IN THEIR RELIGION???

Christianity has a long record of doing exactly that Sprint.

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have they lost their way??.. or are aussies being racist and demanding.??....

Yes and yes. Grin

CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC??

Are you really that stupid?

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WHY IS IT RACISTS TO BE AGAINST SUCH APPALLING VIOLENCE

It isn't. It is racist or bigoted to claim all members of an ethnic/religious group are involved when demonstrably they are not. Are you really that stupid you can't grasp that?

Why are you shouting? Grin

I am not shouting just making sure my comments can be read if I shout it looks like this ..

I am SHOUTING

just for future reference you understand...

I think its easier to read if its bold.. thats all.. wont do it in future for yourself..

why is it all right for a lefty to claim all people who voted in the ABbott govt are a pot of pizz...

at least I havent seen you fall about over that....

you see in a fair world you will be appalled at all and not just the selected bits...

to be honest I prefer not to think about muslims...

I find anyone that follows something that is assumed to have been directed from many 100s of years ago ... strange........

just like I view the American Constitution that gave every American the right to be armed to the teeth......in 2014.

the books the Koran the Bible the Constitution were not written with today in mind....

and anyone that follows the direction ....to mean they were written with 2014 in mind..

I believe uses that for the complete wrong reason

ok show me where the Bible tells their followers to go out and kill someone because he is a jew or a muslim...or a Buddhist....

and then tell me which gangs follow these words to mean thats how he/she should live today..

yes I am wary of muslims..I walk the other way...

although a Christian I havent been tempted to kill one yet.

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Reply #74 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 5:59pm:

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Karnal wrote: Quote:

why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

Answer: 1.5 billion muslims and their innumerable apologists all bound by the terrorism, torture and mass murder, which is instructed, condoned and glorified, by the conglomeration of evil: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th.

Other terrorist nutjobs pale into insignificance, when compared with your islamic mates.

Oh, I know. Seven million Jews killed in an industrial production process less than 60 years ago. The root cause of that one was:

1. Adolf Hitler.
2. Racial ideology.
3. Something sinister in the geist of the German people.
4. The dialectics of modernity and the telos of Western rationality.
5. Islam.

Take your time, Moses. It used to be thought that the very existence of humankind depended on the answer to that question.

Before we had Islam, I mean.

HITLER and Nazism where annihilated in case you have forgotten.

they were tried in a world court where it became apparent the world was appalled by NAZISM and all it stood for... do we accuse ev ery GERMAN of being a NAZI???.

I happen to think the world is still appalled by those 6 years.....

to equate WW11 with Islam and what is happening under that banner today... I find irrational..

they are both sick both dangerous and by your own admission.. need to be eradicated...

yet we know and we see and we read every day more and more join ISIS.....more peaceful muslims are joining...this is a fact.. its happening here.

would it be ok if NAZISM took a hold here because we sat back and said... ooops thats racist to be against that.. cant do that... cant judge..they have as much rights as the rest of us.,.. if they want to build bombs whats it got to do with the rest of us?...

if good Germans could turn bad.. so too can good muslims....what we are saying is we havent learnt a thing if we think this is only happening overseas it doesnt concern us..not our problem

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