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Reply #91 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:38am

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

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why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

Scale.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2014/09/the_islamic_state_a...

Uncle didn’t enter WWII until he was attacked by the Japs. This was despite all of Central Europe being occupied, intelligence reports of the concentration camps and Jewish genocide, and a war on two fronts with two of Uncles allies.

Uncle has been attacked, repeatedly, in the last 20 years. Most recently when two of its citizens were beheaded for being its citizens. No self-respecting country lets that pass and certainly no self-respecting superpower. The US Marines dealt with just this sort of thing in the Barbary Wars.

The IS boys want to spread beyond Iraq and Syria. They would take over all the sunni real estate and then turn on Iran in attempt to conclude the 1400 year Muslim civil war between sunnis and shiites. But that's not the end of it for them. They want the caliphate to spread over Europe and the world. Now that's a very tall order but you have to take them at THEIR word.

If you wanted to emulate Uncle during WWII and not enter the war, you would also emulate the other side of the ledger - deport or intern all hostile aliens and stop entry to newcomers. You can't let jihad run its course because it's not your business AND let them in because that's your business. That's crazy. If you want to keep out then also keep them out.

Let them all go, close the gates and bomb them as a matter of punishment and let the other Arabs and Muslims on the ground fight. This will not stop until they have had enough of killing each other. You are not dealing with wholly rational players.

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Reply #93 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Soren wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

Karnal wrote: Quote:

why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

Scale.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2014/09/the_islamic_state_a...

Uncle didn’t enter WWII until he was attacked by the Japs. This was despite all of Central Europe being occupied, intelligence reports of the concentration camps and Jewish genocide, and a war on two fronts with two of Uncles allies.

Uncle has been attacked, repeatedly, in the last 20 years. Most recently when two of its citizens were beheaded for being its citizens. No self-respecting country lets that pass and certainly no self-respecting superpower. The US Marines dealt with just this sort of thing in the Barbary Wars.

The IS boys want to spread beyond Iraq and Syria. They would take over all the sunni real estate and then turn on Iran in attempt to conclude the 1400 year Muslim civil war between sunnis and shiites. But that's not the end of it for them. They want the caliphate to spread over Europe and the world. Now that's a very tall order but you have to take them at THEIR word.

If you wanted to emulate Uncle during WWII and not enter the war, you would also emulate the other side of the ledger - deport or intern all hostile aliens and stop entry to newcomers. You can't let jihad run its course because it's not your business AND let them in because that's your business. That's crazy. If you want to keep out then also keep them out.

Let them all go, close the gates and bomb them as a matter of punishment and let the other Arabs and Muslims on the ground fight. This will not stop until they have had enough of killing each other. You are not dealing with wholly rational players.

And Uncle's response to those Islamicist attacks was to - wait for it - invade a secular regime and open it up to Al Qaida and the IS boys.

The IS boys do seem rather fixated on Sunni real estate, and I must admit, if I was in Iran I wouldn't want them living next door, but that's just me.

These two points demonstrate the importance of Uncle staying out. Not only did he spectacularly fail in every judgement call he made last time, it's an issue of Sunni real estate best managed by Sunnis.

If Uncle and his coalition go in this time, they'll be the lead agency in the 1400 year civil war you mention. They will also be opening their own real estate up to the IS boys' caliphate.

I'm sure there's a quote in the Quran about it. You know, if the enemy doesn't submit, sieze their real estate.

It's hardly a possibility, but we know how the IS boys see real estate. It's not so much land as lots of live human bodies who need to have their blood spilled for the glory of Gud.

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Reply #94 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:18pm

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karnal wrote: Quote:

why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

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Answer: 1.5 billion muslims and their innumerable apologists all bound by the terrorism, torture and mass murder, which is instructed, condoned and glorified, by the conglomeration of evil: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th.

Other terrorist nutjobs pale into insignificance, when compared with your islamic mates.

I challenge muslims and their apologists to declare as evil, wrong and totally irrelevant in the 21st century, the teachings and commands of islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th, which are the root cause of islamic terrorism.

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Oh, I know. Seven million Jews killed in an industrial production process less than 60 years ago. The root cause of that one was:

1. Adolf Hitler.
2. Racial ideology.
3. Something sinister in the geist of the German people.
4. The dialectics of modernity and the telos of Western rationality.
5. Islam.

Take your time, Moses. It used to be thought that the very existence of humankind depended on the answer to that question.

Before we had Islam, I mean.

The parallels between nazi atrocities, islamic atrocities, hitler and muhammad are evident.

hitler was a leader who embedded his own iniquitous personal agenda into all aspects of nazi life.

Men who followed and believed in hitler had no problems at all, in performing the barbaric inhumanities carried out by nazis 60 years ago.

Precisely the same rationale applies to the aggregation of pure evil e.g. muhammad / allah / islam / quran /muslims and hadi'th.

muhammad is proven by history to be a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer, terrorist and mass murderer.

muhammad injected all of the above barbarities into the commands of allah, his personal teachings, the tenets of islam, these atrocities are now recorded in the qur'an and hadi'th.

All muslims who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: muhammad / allah / islam / quran / hadi'th, who will not condemn the islamic commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify muslims committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies.

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Reply #95 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

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karnal wrote: Quote:

why is the law able to contain the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism, but not Muslim terrorism?

I’m genuinely curious here. If there’s a real reason I’d like to know.

I mean, why are immigrants with names like van Tongeren and Saleam much less dangerous than ones called Muhammed and Mustapha?

And why do any threats posed by the Muhammeds and Mustaphas require extra-legal means to manage?

Again, genuinely curious. Anyone?

moses wrote: Quote:

Answer: 1.5 billion muslims and their innumerable apologists all bound by the terrorism, torture and mass murder, which is instructed, condoned and glorified, by the conglomeration of evil: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th.

Other terrorist nutjobs pale into insignificance, when compared with your islamic mates.

I challenge muslims and their apologists to declare as evil, wrong and totally irrelevant in the 21st century, the teachings and commands of islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an and hadi'th, which are the root cause of islamic terrorism.

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Oh, I know. Seven million Jews killed in an industrial production process less than 60 years ago. The root cause of that one was:

1. Adolf Hitler.
2. Racial ideology.
3. Something sinister in the geist of the German people.
4. The dialectics of modernity and the telos of Western rationality.
5. Islam.

Take your time, Moses. It used to be thought that the very existence of humankind depended on the answer to that question.

Before we had Islam, I mean.

The parallels between nazi atrocities, islamic atrocities, hitler and muhammad are evident.

hitler was a leader who embedded his own iniquitous personal agenda into all aspects of nazi life.

Men who followed and believed in hitler had no problems at all, in performing the barbaric inhumanities carried out by nazis 60 years ago.

Precisely the same rationale applies to the aggregation of pure evil e.g. muhammad / allah / islam / quran /muslims and hadi'th.

muhammad is proven by history to be a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer, terrorist and mass murderer.

muhammad injected all of the above barbarities into the commands of allah, his personal teachings, the tenets of islam, these atrocities are now recorded in the qur'an and hadi'th.

All muslims who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: muhammad / allah / islam / quran / hadi'th, who will not condemn the islamic commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify muslims committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies.

Only 60 years ago, they said the same about Germans. If, by your claim that "the parallels between nazi atrocities, islamic atrocities, hitler and muhammad are evident", why are there all these Germans hanging out in Europe, freely going about their business? Are they not a threat to all 21st century civilised societies?

I'm curious.

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Reply #96 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:07pm

You're an apologizing bootlicker for islamic terrorism Karnal

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Men who followed and believed in hitler had no problems at all, in performing the barbaric inhumanities carried out by nazis 60 years ago.

Are you falsely implying that **all these Germans hanging out in Europe, freely going about their business?** follow and believe in hitler as the correct way for them?

I say you're lying about Germans, to protect muslim terrorists.

I will state again:

All muslims who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: muhammad / allah / islam / quran / hadi'th, who will not condemn the islamic commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify muslims committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies

I stand by these words.

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Reply #97 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

What about all the Christians who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: Christ / God / Holy Spirit / Christianity / Bible / Pope / Patriarch / Pastor / Priest , who will not condemn the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies? Grin

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Reply #98 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:40pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

What about all the Christians who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: Christ / God / Holy Spirit / Christianity / Bible / Pope / Patriarch / Pastor / Priest , who will not condemn the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies? Grin

wow its a long time since I have been involved in a massacre can you tell me when the last Christian one was held... thanks..

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Reply #99 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:52pm

cods wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

What about all the Christians who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: Christ / God / Holy Spirit / Christianity / Bible / Pope / Patriarch / Pastor / Priest , who will not condemn the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies? Grin

wow its a long time since I have been involved in a massacre can you tell me when the last Christian one was held... thanks..

Approximately mid-July 1994 is the last I know of. I suspect there may have been a later one. Grin

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Reply #100 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:52pm:

cods wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:40pm:

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

What about all the Christians who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: Christ / God / Holy Spirit / Christianity / Bible / Pope / Patriarch / Pastor / Priest , who will not condemn the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies? Grin

wow its a long time since I have been involved in a massacre can you tell me when the last Christian one was held... thanks..

Approximately mid-July 1994 is the last I know of. I suspect there may have been later one. Grin

Oh, so one unspecified event weighs as much as daily murderous attacks across the world.
You are a real numpty, Brain.

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Reply #101 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:28pm

moses wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:07pm:

You're an apologizing bootlicker for islamic terrorism Karnal

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Men who followed and believed in hitler had no problems at all, in performing the barbaric inhumanities carried out by nazis 60 years ago.

Are you falsely implying that **all these Germans hanging out in Europe, freely going about their business?** follow and believe in hitler as the correct way for them?

No no, I'm just trying to understand your argument. I'm only trying to help, you know.

Are you implying that **all these Muslims hanging out around the world, freely going about their business** follow and believe in ISIS as the correct way for them?

I promise to stand by your words too, Moses.

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Reply #102 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:29pm

|dev|null wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

What about all the Christians who believe and follow the conglomeration of evil e.g.: Christ / God / Holy Spirit / Christianity / Bible / Pope / Patriarch / Pastor / Priest , who will not condemn the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities, are a threat to all 21st century civilised societies? Grin

Moses?

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Reply #103 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:31pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

And Uncle's response to those Islamicist attacks was to - wait for it - invade a secular regime and open it up to Al Qaida and the IS boys.

The IS boys do seem rather fixated on Sunni real estate, and I must admit, if I was in Iran I wouldn't want them living next door, but that's just me.

These two points demonstrate the importance of Uncle staying out. Not only did he spectacularly fail in every judgement call he made last time, it's an issue of Sunni real estate best managed by Sunnis.

If Uncle and his coalition go in this time, they'll be the lead agency in the 1400 year civil war you mention. They will also be opening their own real estate up to the IS boys' caliphate.

I'm sure there's a quote in the Quran about it. You know, if the enemy doesn't submit, sieze their real estate.

It's hardly a possibility, but we know how the IS boys see real estate. It's not so much land as lots of live human bodies who need to have their blood spilled for the glory of Gud.

Of we could be sure that it is a localised sunni/shia internal civil war, we would leave them to themselves, like we left the Iraqis and Iranians to slug it out, regretting only that both of them couldn't lose.

But there are others in harm's way, like the Christians and other non-Muslims in the region. And the bastards are threatening us, too. So it's better to kill them there than to wait for them to come to us. The killing will not stop whether we are involved or not. It has been going on sine Mo died.
But we have an interest in who gets killed and who doesn't.

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Reply #104 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 5:34pm

A spineless apologist for islamic terrorism **Hot Breath** wrote:

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the Christian commands, teachings and verses which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities

Give me the commands directed at Christians which **which urge, condone and glorify Christians committing atrocities** so I know what you're talking about.

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