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Aug 30th, 2014 at 5:36pm
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Ukraine's assault on cities in the east of the country is reminiscent of the Nazi siege of Leningrad.'Small villages and large cities surrounded by the Ukrainian army which is directly hitting residential areas... It sadly reminds me the events of the Second World War, when German fascist... occupants surrounded our cities,' he told a youth camp outside Moscow.Mr Putin urged Kiev to begin 'substantive' negotiations with the separatists to achieve peace, adding that Russians and Ukrainians are 'practically one people'.'It is necessary to force the Ukrainian authorities to substantively begin these talks - not on technical issues the talks must be substantive,' Mr Putin said.He also said Russia needed to strengthen its position in the Arctic, economically and militarily.Earlier Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed claims that its troops are fighting in eastern Ukraine as 'conjecture'.'We're hearing various conjectures, not for the first time, but not once have any facts been presented to us,' he said.Mr Lavrov was speaking after the US accused Russia of lying about its involvement in Ukraine and warned of tougher economic sanctions.Speaking at the White House, President Barack Obama said Russia has been supporting pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine 'for months'.He ruled out any direct US military intervention but said Russia would incur 'more costs and consequences'.'The separatists are backed, trained, armed, financed by Russia. Russia determined that it had to be a little more overt in what it had already been doing, but it's not really a shift,' Mr Obama said.Nato has accused Russia of blatantly violating its international obligations, saying there is clear evidence its troops are moving across the border into Ukraine.Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen condemned the action, re-iterating the organisation's unwaivering support for Kiev.'Despite Moscow's hollow denials, it is now clear that Russian troops and equipment have illegally crossed the border into eastern and southeastern Ukraine,' he said.'This is not an isolated action but part of a dangerous pattern over many months to destabilise Ukraine as a sovereign nation.'Kiev said on Friday a call by Mr Putin for separatists to open a 'humanitarian corridor' to allow encircled Ukrainian troops to withdraw was further proof they were 'led and controlled directly from the Kremlin'.'I'm calling on insurgents to open a humanitarian corridor for Ukrainian troops who were surrounded in order to avoid senseless deaths,' Mr Putin said in a statement.He went on to praise the pro-Russian separatists for 'undermining Kiev's military operation which threatened lives of the residents of Donbass and has already led to a colossal death toll among civilians'.A top insurgent in the rebel stronghold of Donetsk promptly reacted to Mr Putin's appeal but said the Ukrainian troops would have to lay down their arms before they were allowed to go.'We are ready to open humanitarian corridors to the Ukrainian troops who were surrounded with the condition that they surrender heavy weaponry and ammunition so that this weaponry and ammunition will not be used against us in future,' Alexander Zakharchenko said on Russia's state Rossiya 24 television.Ten Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and 30 wounded in fighting with pro-Russian separatists in the past 24 hours, Kiev's security and defence council said on Friday.Fighting has intensified since the rebels - allegedly helped by Russian soldiers - opened a new front just as Ukraine's army had virtually surrounded Donetsk and another separatist stronghold, Luhansk.The casualty figure was released after the UN revealed a total of 2,593 people have been killed in eastern Ukraine since the fighting erupted in mid-April.It said the number included civilians as well as Ukrainian and separatist combatants, but not the 298 victims of the MH17 Malaysian Airlines plane crash.Nato is due to hold an emergency meeting on the crisis later, while German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said an EU summit on Saturday would discuss the prospect of further sanctions against Russia.Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said on Friday the current sanctions 'have not worked and the EU will have to consider additional measures.Responding to calls by Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk for his country to join Nato, Mr Rutte said it would 'not contribute to a solution'.Meanwhile, the US fast-food giant McDonald's has revealed a total of 12 branches in Russia had been temporarily closed by the state food safety watchdog over alleged sanitary law breaches.The company, which has 440 restaurants in the country, also said more than 100 further inspections were being carried out at its outlets.'We are studying the essence of claims in order to determine the necessary actions for the swift re-opening of restaurants for visitors,' the firm said in a statement. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2014/08/30/putin-says-ukraine-assault--like-nazis--in-wwii.html#sthash.0ctnVIgf.dpuf
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 5:39pm
 
Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk says his government is seeking to join NATO and is submitting a relevant bill to parliament to end the country's official non-bloc policy.The government is entering a bill to Verkhovna Rada (parliament) about the cancellation of Ukraine's non-bloc status and resumption of Ukraine's course for NATO membership.The bill, if passed, would forbid Ukraine from taking a decision on membership in 'any other economic, political, or other unions' that would prevent the country from eventually joining the European Union, he said on Friday.'The adoption of this law would mean that Ukraine would be forbidden from membership in the Customs Union, as well as the Eurasian Union, or any other unions that are in essence nothing other than Russia's Soviet Union.'NATO ambassadors were holding a crisis meeting after the alliance said Russia had at least 1000 troops fighting to support a lightning rebel counter-offensive against Ukrainian government forces.Yatsenyuk earlier this week asked NATO for 'practical help' as Kiev's army is fighting an insurgency in east Ukraine and accusing Russia of sending regular army contingents that have seized key towns.Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko is due to travel to a NATO summit in Newport, Wales next week where he is scheduled to meet with US President Barack Obama. - See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/world/2014/08/29/ukraine--wants-nato-membership-.html#sthash.D6ukIH7K.dpuf
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 5:59pm
 
Ukraine is currently in the weaker position against Russia.
But 'very soon', CHINA will invade Russia, who can only 'bully' smaller neighbours.
Then with Russia expending itself against the Chinese invasion (for resources and revenge), the Ukraine will get the upper hand.

Russia is riddled with poverty, not like in the Soviet days. But with a poverty that is falling into debt and by the wayside. Criminals activity and prostitution is rife. The Military is really a 'rusting' version of the Soviet days, scuttled by a very weak economy.
Russia is desperate, which is why it attempts to take the Crimea.
It is also caught between a rock and a hard place - wether to submit to the more European side or stay with being a part of 'Asia' culturally. If it turns to the Europeans it will be another 'betrayal' against the Chinese - their former Communist allies.
Plus - there are a lot of unmarried Chinese men who want at least 'one' child and the thought of all those Russian Email Brides... Wink

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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:01pm
 
Classic response from NATO.

WASHINGTON, August 28 (RIA Novosti) - NATO is not looking for ways to set off a war with Russia, despite the alliance’s commitment to build up rapid response forces close to Russia’s border, a representative of the Center for Strategic and International Studies told RIA Novosti.

“We are not looking for war with Russia. We aim to prevent any kind of unusual, unconventional approaches that might come after NATO territory or NATO stability,” International Security Director at CSIS Katherine Hicks said during a Wednesday press briefing on the upcoming NATO summit.

“It’s about that rapid reaction capability,” Hicks said on the plans for rotational bases and force presence along NATO’s Eastern front.
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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:06pm
 
But 'very soon', CHINA will invade Russia, who can only 'bully' smaller neighbours.


Why The Flock would china want to invade Russia ??
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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:09pm
 
Perses wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:06pm:
But 'very soon', CHINA will invade Russia, who can only 'bully' smaller neighbours.


Why The Flock would china want to invade Russia ??



They want Russian pussy.
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:13pm
 
Nato Want's Siberian cats ??
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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:14pm
 
China  !
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:24pm
 
USSR & USA was a 'default' Cold War based upon turning the entire Northern Hemisphere 'All White'.
"To kick the Yellow Mongols out of Asia" General Macarthur once said.
It nearly happened and this 'master plan' with supporting factors of Taoism (the Art of Stupidity: just seeing things in Black or White), Judaism (the Fall) and more.
All out War 'over Yellow Asia' nearly happened.

...but because it didn't.

Now China seeks revenge for it being bullied.
It seeks justification as being 'Asian'.
It seeks to take back Siberia to the yellow race and have its share of the North.

This is why Russia is now feeling the desperation of having made a big mistake and gone the wrong way (as has the whole world!) and fears turning its back on the BIG YELLOW BEAR.
While the USA isn't fairing any better with its domestic problems of having found a Black man in his wife's bed.
North Korea will bring USA into the fray, but China will still 'win'.

...meanwhile in other parts of the world : Islam is throwing the 'last' of its military might against France.
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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:26pm
 
Ok ????????
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Reply #10 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:27pm
 
'UN won’t be needed if it serves only US and its allies'

Putin totally disagreed that the UN is inefficient. But the organization needs to be reformed and its instruments should be used efficiently.

The reform should become a result of a consensus reached by the overwhelming majority of the members of the organization, he said.

It is also necessary to preserve the fundamental grounds of the UN’s efficiency. In particular, only the Security Council should have the power to make decision on sanctions and the use of military force, Putin said. And these decisions must be obligatory for everyone. Such mechanisms should not be eroded. “Otherwise the UN will turn into the League of Nations,” the Russian President said.

The organization will lose its purpose if it is only an “instrument to serve foreign policy interests of only one country – in this case the US and its allies,” Putin. “Then it is not needed.”
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Reply #11 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:28pm
 
Don't mock Perses.

You gotta understand the Human Condition as to 'why' things have happened the way they did and will do because of it.


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Reply #12 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:30pm
 
Perses wrote on Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:13pm:
Nato Want's Siberian cats ??


Yes - of course that's what I meant.
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Reply #13 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:35pm
 
Thank the gods for that Sir bobby, not shagging Russian women eh !!
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Reply #14 - Aug 30th, 2014 at 6:41pm
 
I can see why:

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