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Reply #15 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 8:15am

Anyone who eats the sewer grown hormone fed Vietnamese Catfish.... deceptively called BASA

may as well eat Sydney Harbour fish.

I don't understand how authorities can eventually ban a suspect local product because of toxin/pollutant contamination yet allow the importation of such crap
as BASA...... catfish.

Btw ...... it doesn't taste sweet ....... it's feckin tasteless/bland.

I got caught eating it once.

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Reply #16 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:02am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

I'm not going to eat anything out of Sydney Harbour, but I believe the theory is that it is a cumulative toxin so limiting consumption can work. If you can draw the line somewhere and say it is safe to eat on this side of the line, then you can draw a line a bit closer and say it is safe to eat in limited quantities from there.

I remember the awful documentary about a seaside village in Japan where a whole generation were rendered dribbling idiots because the water had become contaminated with some sort of mercury or lead run-off.

It was a pitiful sight.

It's a case of "Do you feel lucky, punk?" ~ then okay ~ eat the fish and switch off the lights to see if you glow in the dark.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29033 Gender:	Re: Dioxins in Sydney Harbour fish ... Reply #17 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:06am It was called Minimata Disease Herb. Industrial poisoning from MethylMercury in Minimata City in JAPAN. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease
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Reply #18 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:19am

Done a bit of fishing off the sow and pigs when younger - close enough to the heads to be OK I think.

However eating fish from up stream has been known to be a problem for 20 years or more.

fish that'll have you glowing in the dark?

With certain algae types in the water it is normal for many species of fish to glow in the dark but its not contagious. People swimming in the same water also go phosphorescent. It is probably not the correct term it may in reality be the result of chemiluminescence I am not sure.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Dioxins in Sydney Harbour fish ... Reply #19 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:22am The leatherjackets and a few other species from down that way have bones that are bright green/blue in the middle. Apparently it is a natural thing.
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Reply #20 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:34am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Don't a bit of fishing off the sow and pigs when younger - close enough to the heads to be OK I think.

However eating fish from up stream has been known to be a problem for over 20 years or more.

fish that'll have you glowing in the dark?

With certain algae types in the water it is normal for many species of fish to glow in the dark but its not contagious. I would think that people swimming in the same water would also go phosphorescent. It is probably not the correct term it may in reality be the result of chemiluminescence I am not sure.

And you don't think any of these fish can swim/travel up & down the Harbour? Grin

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Reply #21 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:45am

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Don't a bit of fishing off the sow and pigs when younger - close enough to the heads to be OK I think.

However eating fish from up stream has been known to be a problem for over 20 years or more.

fish that'll have you glowing in the dark?

With certain algae types in the water it is normal for many species of fish to glow in the dark but its not contagious. I would think that people swimming in the same water would also go phosphorescent. It is probably not the correct term it may in reality be the result of chemiluminescence I am not sure.

And you don't think any of these fish can swim/travel up & down the Harbour? Grin

It is more about the fish that live in it, swimming over it once or twice isn't much of an issue. The heavy metals etc are primarily in the sediment on the bottom - bigger impact on bottom feeders (you don't see many Lib politicians in Sydney harbour).

At the mouth of the harbour you can target fish more likely to have come in from the ocean or fish that are known to live on a reef. There are species that do not go upstream.

i.e. Bream would be suspect but Atlantic salmon, kingfish or many shark species would be OK

Even with Bream you have an idea as their colour will change dependant on their environment and diet but still not out of Sydney Harbour.

While I think some locations may well be OK I am afraid that I still would not be doing it today.

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Reply #22 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 10:38am

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

Anyone who eats the sewer grown hormone fed Vietnamese Catfish.... deceptively called BASA

Well said! I was beating my brains out trying to remember the name: The notorious Basa!

I've eaten them too. And then I saw the documentary of how these fish grow fat on a thousand miles of Mekong River effluent drifting past them where they are corralled within netted compounds alongside the banks. 'Basa' is a four-letter word like 'Sh!t' ...

Gnads wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 8:15am:

Btw ...... it doesn't taste sweet ....... it's feckin tasteless/bland.

That's never been a problem for me. I drown everything in a bath of Tomato Sauce, HP Sauce, Worcester Sauce, vinegar, Tabasco, squeezed lemons, grated cheese, Ground Peppers, salt, etc etc.

With Smoked Cod I only sprinkle them with Mint Sauce. To die for. Smoked Cod ~ cheap, delicious, tremendous value. Serve with peas and mashed potatoes, and sliced tomatoes.

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Reply #24 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 10:45am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

Done a bit of fishing off the sow and pigs when younger - close enough to the heads to be OK I think.

However eating fish from up stream has been known to be a problem for 20 years or more.

fish that'll have you glowing in the dark?

With certain algae types in the water it is normal for many species of fish to glow in the dark but its not contagious. People swimming in the same water also go phosphorescent. It is probably not the correct term it may in reality be the result of chemiluminescence I am not sure.

That's it. I used to swim in the luminescent waves on camping trips when we lived in Hong Kong.

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Reply #25 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 10:47am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

The leatherjackets and a few other species from down that way have bones that are bright green/blue in the middle. Apparently it is a natural thing.

'Bone cancer' leaps to mind. Leukemia. Some of these toxins accrue in the bones until they reach a critical point of no return.

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Reply #26 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:10am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Even with Bream you have an idea as their colour will change dependant on their environment and diet but still not out of Sydney Harbour.

While I think some locations may well be OK I am afraid that I still would not be doing it today.

It's the cumulative effect of eating these fish in which toxins become concentrated over a period of time.

If it's not fished outside the Harbour Heads ~ then forget it. Send it back to the kitchen and don't believe any bullshit they tell you.

A restaurant was recently fined for blatant false advertising on their menu. Some sludge-dwelling, mud-sucking flatfish being advertised as a blue water delicacy.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Dioxins in Sydney Harbour fish ... Reply #27 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:17am I feel lucky all of a sudden that I cannot afford to buy fish... what about prawns.. I do miss them
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Dioxins in Sydney Harbour fish ... Reply #28 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:23am cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:17am: I feel lucky all of a sudden that I cannot afford to buy fish... what about prawns.. I do miss them Fish is the cheapest protein you can buy except for starvation food such as calamari, jellyfish and eels.
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Reply #29 - Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:31am

Lord Herbert wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

cods wrote on Sep 6^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

I feel lucky all of a sudden that I cannot afford to buy fish... what about prawns.. I do miss them

Fish is the cheapest protein you can buy except for starvation food such as calamari, jellyfish and eels.

really?.. where do you live here in ACT its like gold dust...I am sorry I wont buy imported fish...dont care what sort of name they put on it...have a grandson who adores fishing.. but he hasnt brought home anything to put in the pan yet....I am going with him one day just to show him how to catch them .. Wink

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