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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #30 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

I regard LongProng and Armpit as traitors wanting to sell their souls to the Nips.

Australian Jobs must come first.

TonyLiar strikes again

Australian security should come first, if they can't build a decent sub then they should not be allowed to risk Australia's security, 'b'cause their takin our jaaaarbs'. Jeez even a window licker should understand that.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #31 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:41am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:47am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:04am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

shorten doesn't give crap where they are built. he just thinks there are votes in it. that's all he ever does.

Im sure you typed that without the slightest blush as well Undecided

I was hoping someone might have picked up the irony. You are probably the closest yet. Because apparently everything Abbott does - even going to the aid of others or protecting aussie dead - is to gain votes, but nothing shorten does could possibly be that way?

Lets just cut the crap

Both will do anything for a vote & thats all that matters.

the error is the word 'anything'. While I believe both go out of their way for votes I also believe both have standards and a desire to do well by people, regardless of votes. you way you have an excuse for abusing anything, any time while my way requires me to actually think.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #32 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:27pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

I regard LongProng and Armpit as traitors wanting to sell their souls to the Nips.

Australian Jobs must come first.

TonyLiar strikes again

Australian security should come first, if they can't build a decent sub then they should not be allowed to risk Australia's security, 'b'cause their takin our jaaaarbs'. Jeez even a window licker should understand that.

I'd love to have the subs built here - even at a price premium. But I see no point in building subs that cant do the job. the Collins class are excellent - when they work. but we need them all working, all the time.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #33 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #34 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #35 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

fcvk me, you got all that rubbish from 'no'? Grin

shows just how delluded you are ...

I noticed you ignored grapplers post ... why is that? tired of looking like the forums whipping boy?

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #36 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 1:33pm

Great to see Bill Shorten standing up for Australian workers. Abbott wants to buy Japanese "Home Brand" short life rubbish.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/submarine-plan-a-threat...

JAPANESE submarines under consideration for the Navy are inferior “home brand” products, Labor says, as it warned the death of Australia’s own industry would threaten national security.

The Abbott government has concluded building a new fleet of submarines in Australia would be risky and expensive, and is instead considering “off-the shelf” options from Japan and Germany, with the Soryu-class boat the frontrunner.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s “last minute pressure” on the government to keep its election commitment to build 12 submarines in Adelaide comes as an Australian Strategic Policy Institute paper warns buying the Japanese boats “would alarm China and heighten Beijing’s fears of containment by the United States” and its allies.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #37 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

fcvk me, you got all that rubbish from 'no'? Grin

shows just how delluded you are ...

I noticed you ignored grapplers post ... why is that? tired of looking like the forums whipping boy?

... said the forums' whipping boy!!! Grin

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #38 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:58pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

fcvk me, you got all that rubbish from 'no'? Grin

shows just how delluded you are ...

I noticed you ignored grapplers post ... why is that? tired of looking like the forums whipping boy?

... said the forums' whipping boy!!! Grin

yes armpit, I know, you haven't got the brains to come up with something on your own Cry

..

I'm actually surprised you haven't called me armpit yet Grin

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #39 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:36pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

fcvk me, you got all that rubbish from 'no'? Grin

shows just how delluded you are ...

I noticed you ignored grapplers post ... why is that? tired of looking like the forums whipping boy?

... said the forums' whipping boy!!! Grin

yes armpit, I know, you haven't got the brains to come up with something on your own Cry

..

I'm actually surprised you haven't called me armpit yet Grin

Get back to me when you discover a point of view other than that of the Party...

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #40 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 7:05pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 6:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:58pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

fcvk me, you got all that rubbish from 'no'? Grin

shows just how delluded you are ...

I noticed you ignored grapplers post ... why is that? tired of looking like the forums whipping boy?

... said the forums' whipping boy!!! Grin

yes armpit, I know, you haven't got the brains to come up with something on your own Cry

..

I'm actually surprised you haven't called me armpit yet Grin

Get back to me when you discover a point of view other than that of the Party...

hahaha ...

no wonder you copy my comments Grin

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #42 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:57am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

no reason why they shouldn't build them here ... any issues with regarding quality can be overcome with the proper oversight. Its only when you have self regulation that things fall apart ...

asking the manufacturer themselves to test their own quality is like asking the banks to regulate themselves ... looks good on paper but in reality a waste of time

Is the FACT that the Air Warfare Destroyers are $500m over budget and ATLEAST two years late not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here, in addition to the problems that plagued the construction and service of the current Collins Class submarine fleet??? Is the fact that building them abroad would cost roughly half the price of building them here not a good enough reason to NOT build the submarines here?

no

Nice to know you believe that our sailors should be forced to settle for an inferior submarine that will not perform as well or provide the same level of safety as other submarines manufactured abroad, just for the sake of keeping some jobs here. Never mind that it may cost the lives of our sailors, eh?

And you know all this how? You would rather rely on the opinions of 'experts' with a vested interest, governed b y economic considerations of parsimony to suit an ideology?

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

http://www.mastermariners.org.au/2014-01-17-01-18-06/news-international/1554-ger...

http://thediplomat.com/2012/07/australias-japanese-sub-play/

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/australias-next-generation-submarines-05917...

You really need to look at some of the 'fine print' here. e.g. Australia can only 'staff' two of its submarines..... now....

Is this entire issue all about building and what will be built?

Perhaps a little look at the specifications of the contenders is in order........

Someone else like to do some work and get a brownie point?

How about a new SUBMARINE DESIGN?

http://news.usni.org/2014/07/07/japan-australia-cooperate-new-submarine-design

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #43 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

shorten doesn't give crap where they are built. he just thinks there are votes in it. that's all he ever does.

Its no surprise that Longy supports Abbotts disgraceful anti South Australia campaign

above all, I'd like submarines that work. the ASC hasn't don't a particularly good job at that.

Would you forgive the Aussie workers if they do manage to get
all 6 Collins subs operational & out to sea?

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #44 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:30pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

they put Mirrabella on the board of advisors for christs sake ...... as if she has the slightest clue?

the closest she ever got to a sub or submarine warfare was when two sailors started jostling over who went first for a headjob from her.

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