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Reply #45 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:44pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

they put Mirrabella on the board of advisors for christs sake ...... as if has has the slightest clue?

the closest she ever got to a sub or submarine warfare was when two sailors started jostling over who went first for a headjob from her.

Yes - these ridiculous political appointments are a joke - a costly one as well. I challenge the 'need' to even have a submarine corporation at prohibitive cost for nothing but sitting in once in a while for a few mates and handling paperwork already organised by public servants for you - like that stupid commission of audit.

Waste of good money handed out to old mates and cronies. All this will be banned when my party takes power and all such appointments retrospectively abolished.

There is no right to income for life for being a political stooge, and you cop the same deal as everyone else out of a job. Go earn or learn..... or live on your available money until age 70.

Were those Australian sailors?

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #47 - Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07pm

I think that Australia has got the ability to build Submarines - but like Qantas, the Govt and other Companies just don't want to pay top $$$ for such 'Quality' workmanship.

Considering we have just recently built a Submersible to take James Cameron down to the deepest part of the ocean.

But maybe we must face the fact with 'Military' that its much like a Holden compared to a Toyota and we must bite the bullet and 'sell out'. Just because its 'Australian', doesn't necessary make it 'good'.

I think that Whyalla and South Australia should be given a 'Fair Go' though.

Nippon Subs? Well they might be like those Millenium Trains & BlackHawk Helicopters = Tongue

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #48 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:18am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

adelcrow wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

shorten doesn't give crap where they are built. he just thinks there are votes in it. that's all he ever does.

Its no surprise that Longy supports Abbotts disgraceful anti South Australia campaign

above all, I'd like submarines that work. the ASC hasn't don't a particularly good job at that.

Would you forgive the Aussie workers if they do manage to get
all 6 Collins subs operational & out to sea?

No, because it would've taken far too long and far too much money to do so.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #49 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:23am

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

they put Mirrabella on the board of advisors for christs sake ...... as if she has the slightest clue?

the closest she ever got to a sub or submarine warfare was when two sailors started jostling over who went first for a headjob from her.

If you think she's there to offer a technical point of view, you've got more rocks in your head than I thought. She's there for a political point of view. Only an imbecile would think she'd be there to give expert technical advice!

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #50 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:26am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

they put Mirrabella on the board of advisors for christs sake ...... as if she has the slightest clue?

the closest she ever got to a sub or submarine warfare was when two sailors started jostling over who went first for a headjob from her.

If you think she's there to offer a technical point of view, you've got more rocks in your head than I thought. She's there for a political point of view. Only an imbecile would think she'd be there to give expert technical advice!

thats the whole argument you dickhead ... why do they need politics to build a submarine? They would be much better off pay independant experienced engineers to oversee the work instead and just maybe they can build it without all the faults that we saw with the Collins subs.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #51 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:29am

Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

I think that Australia has got the ability to build Submarines - but like Qantas, the Govt and other Companies just don't want to pay top $$$ for such 'Quality' workmanship.

Considering we have just recently built a Submersible to take James Cameron down to the deepest part of the ocean.

But maybe we must face the fact with 'Military' that its much like a Holden compared to a Toyota and we must bite the bullet and 'sell out'. Just because its 'Australian', doesn't necessary make it 'good'.

I think that Whyalla and South Australia should be given a 'Fair Go' though.

Nippon Subs? Well they might be like those Millenium Trains & BlackHawk Helicopters = Tongue

You're wrong, so very wrong. We did that with the Collins-Class and that was a debacle. We've done that with the Air Warfare Destroyers and they're half a billion dollars over-budget and at least two years late. See the link below for the litany of problems that have plagued the Collins-Class submarines - all because we wanted to build them here. Sometimes you've just got to acknowledge that there's some things we do well and some things we don't and that the things we don't do well are best left to others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins-class_submarine#Construction

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #52 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:32am

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

You really expect me to believe that Joe Hockey, Tony Abbott, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, and all their paid advisors really know what they are talking about as regards submarines?

they put Mirrabella on the board of advisors for christs sake ...... as if she has the slightest clue?

the closest she ever got to a sub or submarine warfare was when two sailors started jostling over who went first for a headjob from her.

If you think she's there to offer a technical point of view, you've got more rocks in your head than I thought. She's there for a political point of view. Only an imbecile would think she'd be there to give expert technical advice!

thats the whole argument you dickhead ... why do they need politics to build a submarine? They would be much better off pay independant experienced engineers to oversee the work instead and just maybe they can build it without all the faults that we saw with the Collins subs.

Gawd, you really are stupid. Someone has to think about the political ramifications of defence acquisitions. Imagine if the RAAF wanted to buy B-52 bombers in the 80's. Imagine the political ramifications of such a purchase with countries such as China and the Soviet Union. Defence doesn't think along those lines - that's the job of politicians and diplomats. If you have a brain, try using it. If you don't try eBay.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #53 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #54 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:42am

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

You really are stupid if you think the Defence Minister and Foreign Minister are the only ones who are paid to consider the political aspect of military acquisitions. Roll Eyes

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #55 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:47am

Jasin wrote on Sep 10^th, 2014 at 11:07pm:

I think that Australia has got the ability to build Submarines - but like Qantas, the Govt and other Companies just don't want to pay top $$$ for such 'Quality' workmanship.

Considering we have just recently built a Submersible to take James Cameron down to the deepest part of the ocean.

But maybe we must face the fact with 'Military' that its much like a Holden compared to a Toyota and we must bite the bullet and 'sell out'. Just because its 'Australian', doesn't necessary make it 'good'.

I think that Whyalla and South Australia should be given a 'Fair Go' though.

Nippon Subs? Well they might be like those Millenium Trains & BlackHawk Helicopters = Tongue

You seem to want to prove that you know less and less about this subject with every post you make.

WTF do a train and Blackhawks have to do with the aquisition of submarines

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #56 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:51am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

You really are stupid if you think the Defence Minister and Foreign Minister are the only ones who are paid to consider the political aspect of military acquisitions. Roll Eyes

I didn't say they were the only ones dickhead .. they each have hundreds if not thousands of staff under them to consider things for them, not to mention all the intelligence agencies

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #57 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:59am

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

You really are stupid if you think the Defence Minister and Foreign Minister are the only ones who are paid to consider the political aspect of military acquisitions. Roll Eyes

I didn't say they were the only ones dickhead .. they each have hundreds if not thousands of staff under them to consider things for them, not to mention all the intelligence agencies

Yes, and military contractors also have political staff in their employ - Northrop, BAE, ASC, Boeing Defense - all have staff employed for the political aspect of military acquisitions.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #58 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:37am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

You really are stupid if you think the Defence Minister and Foreign Minister are the only ones who are paid to consider the political aspect of military acquisitions. Roll Eyes

I didn't say they were the only ones dickhead .. they each have hundreds if not thousands of staff under them to consider things for them, not to mention all the intelligence agencies

Yes, and military contractors also have political staff in their employ - Northrop, BAE, ASC, Boeing Defense - all have staff employed for the political aspect of military acquisitions.

military contractors can employ who ever they like .... this is a govt. appointed board mirrabella is on.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #59 - Sep 11^th, 2014 at 10:19am

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:51am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

you're an idiot armpit, no matter what poo they shovel, you stand there with your mouth wide open swallowing everything that comes your way ...

Mirrabella is just there for the paycheck ... defence minister and the minister for feorign affairs job to worry about any political ramifications, not mirrabella ....

You really are stupid if you think the Defence Minister and Foreign Minister are the only ones who are paid to consider the political aspect of military acquisitions. Roll Eyes

I didn't say they were the only ones dickhead .. they each have hundreds if not thousands of staff under them to consider things for them, not to mention all the intelligence agencies

Yes, and military contractors also have political staff in their employ - Northrop, BAE, ASC, Boeing Defense - all have staff employed for the political aspect of military acquisitions.

military contractors can employ who ever they like .... this is a govt. appointed board mirrabella is on.

... that bids on military contracts. Der!!! Cheesy

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