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Reply #90 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:57am

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

1/4 of the f-111s we had crashed. What a horridly build piece of crap!

Yeah I know I was there for three of the crashes.

First up, the Nomad was poorly designed and poorly manufactured, it fell apart in the air even though it flew slightly faster than a crippled pidgeon.

The pig flew at over twice the speed of sound and even though it was being flown at its operational envelope a lot of the time it was usually lost due to pilot errors, not catastrophic malfuntion.

You are trying to compare apples with bricks ya winner Grin

They have flown into mountains and oceans, swallow a gutfull of water into the intakes, been struck by pelicans, but it is a rare occurence that its design or maintenance that has killed the drivers.

Thanks for playing but not even a participation prize for you this time. Grin

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Reply #91 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:23am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:23am:

They weren't crap. They just handled differently to any other aircraft and could be difficult in certain situations.

Kinda reminds me of the 'don't kick the rudder pedals too hard ' on the A320... what a fine piece of engineering... the MiG-15 and 'don't dive too hard' - some models of Me109 with 'watch the spin'.... even the F-4U and its power dive characteristics....

FFS - these are aircraft (military ones here) that are supposed to handle all kinds of things at the speed of the human brain in a crisis.

"Got a missile warning up our ass!"

"Kicking rudders and turning fast.. we'll shift its gyros around then turn inside its circle... oops - the vertical stabiliser fell off and we're in a spin.. buggar! Hit eject!"

*message appears...

"Ejection system out of order - please contact manufacturer for update"

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Re: Mr Shorten Will Toepedo The Submarine Deal
Reply #92 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:33am

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

I am all for local manufacture even at a premium on price. but there has to be a minimum standard and in the case of aircraft or military equipment that standard has to be pretty high. failing that, we need to go elsewhere. it is a disappointment of course, but we want subs that work when we need them, not just occasionally. when they are working that are world-class, but they aren't working often enough to be much use.

It is a pity some of these geniuses can't comprehend this fairly basic concept.

Australian manufacturers have failed accross the board, from submarines and aircraft (Nomad) to military clothing falling aparet soon after wearing or being highly flammable. Why should the ADF support these sheltered workshops of ineptitude.

the Nomad wasn't a failure. and the clothing issues are about chinese-made clothing. but the subs and boats etc have not been much of a success I admit. t

The Nomad or as the RAAF called it the wdow maker was a airbourne killer, 172 aircraft built, 32 crashed killing a total of 76 people. A failure would be an understatement.

The government clothing factory made all my uniforms, the ones that fell apart, and the ones that threaten to burst into flames and stick to my body at the mearest hint of a flame.

The subs and boats are an extension of a litany of Australian manufacturing failures since the 70's.

there is the problem right there. GOVERNMENT run clothing factory. it was also clearly a very long time ago. you might try and keep up. the subs are also not duds. they have maintenance issues that needed resolving.

The ASC is government and it was building subs the same time as ACF was knocking out uniforms, so I don't see the point of your insult. Same could give a f...k attitude to manufacturing equipment for the ADF.

Equipment you can't maintain to an acceptable combat standard is a peice of sh1t, ask anyone who has to operate it.

They are a good sub when they are servicaeble, but thanks to poor maintenance and poor standards all round they are not serviceable often enough to be a strategic deterant; therefore they are useless.

Really, they should be replaced and retired much earlier than the planned 2030's.

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