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Reply #135 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:11am

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst. I have NEVER said unemployment is going down. In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate.

if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

OK

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

and

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept

but wait, there's more

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:57am:

unemployment down: dodgy data

your problem longie is that you pump out the crap so fast that even you have no idea what you said Grin

You can set your watch by the back flips and turn abouts Cheesy

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Reply #136 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:55am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration.

Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

which is PRECISELY what I have been saying. I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria. I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades. from time to time you see this sort of thing happening. a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

What about this then?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem,

If you have a reputation for posting lies and bullshit then it IS your problem.

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longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott.

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept.

You VERY CLEARLY have said in multiple posts that the unemployment rate "dropped", and your denials are ludicrous.

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Reply #137 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

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Reply #138 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:12am

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.”

Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that.

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Reply #139 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month?

Has someone identified what happened ?

If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on.

You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

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Reply #141 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

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Reply #142 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

i see unemployment going up

edit

slowing down of the RATE OF INCREASE... how do such otherwise simple concepts elude you?

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Reply #143 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Bam wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:48pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:17am:

Bam wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

It's rubbish posts like this which prove that you know nothing about statistics. It's simply a different ABS sample producing different figures. The best guess is that the previous month's figures (showing a jump) were an aberration.

Unemployment hasn't come down, not by that amount. There's too much weakness in the economy to indicate that unemployment is coming down, especially the soft wages growth.

which is PRECISELY what I have been saying. I am enjoying watching you clowns having to backpedal from last months hysteria. I studied university statistics and have been folloing polling for decades. from time to time you see this sort of thing happening. a few years ago Gillards poll numbers jumped 5% for no reason at all and the laborites shouted with glee only to see it all disappear the next month - also for no good reason.

What about this then?

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

So when unemployment goes up it is a tragegy and Abbotts fault but when it comes down it is an accident and an aberration???

just another Abbott govt success, turning te unemployment rate around after a disastrous 6 years of labor.

if you don't understanding mocking irony then that is not my problem,

If you have a reputation for posting lies and bullshit then it IS your problem.

You also posted this:
longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Its time wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:23pm:

The west Australian newspaper never lets facts get in the way of ABS stats that clearly state unemployment is at a 10 year high under Abbott.

but clearly the fact that unemployment has dropped steeply is something you don't want to accept.

You VERY CLEARLY have said in multiple posts that the unemployment rate "dropped", and your denials are ludicrous.

in the last month that is unequivocably true or do you wish to content that 6.1 is NOT less than 6.4??? as far as trends are concerned however, the best you can say is that it represents a small drop in the RATE OF INCREASE.

now, go ahead and disagree with that (which you will of course)

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Reply #144 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:04pm

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

they are BEST FIT lines. but as I challenged you before, if you don't like it then draw your own best fit line and then tell me why it is different to mine.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #145 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Bam wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

(See post for "chart")

You claim to know something about statistics, but this rubbish clearly proves that you don't.

Those are not trend lines calculated from actual data. Those are just lines you've drawn on cherrypicked data points with no explanation as to how you chose those points.

That is how the non–existent pause in AGW got promoted, chop off start and end points as not fitting the “pause.”

Unemployment has at least one, probably two (the last two) suss data points so relying on the graph is folly—thought Longy with his stats knowledge would have known that.

they didn't drop of te END POINT you boofhead. the pause in warming is STILL continuing.

you didn't really go to university, did you?

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Reply #146 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:53am:

Now that we know that August's unemployment figures were wrong we can take that out of the graph and what do we see? a slowing down in the rate of unemployment growth courtesy of the Abbott govt.

look and weep.

Did I miss something - how do we know that ? Last I seen the result was based on what was measured just as the current measure was ? The current improvement is based on 107,000 part time jobs added in the month?

Has someone identified what happened ?

If there were over 100K new jobs added this explains the improvement then the previous figure must also stand, I still think we need to see several more ABS releases to get an idea of what is going on.

You are still only going back to around March of 2012 which does not cover the three year period you specified.

okay 2.5 years. happy now? YOUR idiotic point was that there was no increase in unemployment under labor from mar 2012 onwards which is provably wrong, but you stuck to it.

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Reply #147 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

Good signs! Cool

backpackers???

you are an idiot.

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Reply #148 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

Good signs! Cool

backpackers???

you are an idiot.

You are! Grin

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Reply #149 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:22pm

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

gone wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

I don't listen to government/media propaganda. I listen to the people! I've talked to many young backpackers from France, Italy and Germany recently and I was happy to hear that more and more young people seriously talk about people's revolution. Overthrowing the filthy, greedy upper class.
Cool

Good signs! Cool

backpackers???

you are an idiot.

You are! Grin

if you listened to a bit more than the voices in your head you migh see how silly the above it. if you had ever read history, you would also see how silly you sound. instead... you just sound silliier and sillier

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