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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #45 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:19am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.

That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way. How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work?

That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work.

A fairer rendition would be:-

Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total.

Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total.

Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total.

Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total.

It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING. Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #46 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:45am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:27pm:

"jobs"? That's full-time jobs? 38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?

you could always just make it up. that's not beyond you Pedantry-Man

Struggling to come up with an answer, hey?

"jobs"? That's full-time jobs? 38 hours per week?

Or, does "jobs" include casuals doing just 2 hours per week?

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more. that definition does not however imply that ANYONE is working one hour or the distribution of hours worked. in fact, all it does is give wankers the opportunity to complain vociferously about something they know nothing about. Surely Pedantry-man would know all about words with super-wide definitions. Perhaps you can use your super power to com up with a range of words to cover the range instead of just 'employed'.

How many hours, on average, are these "jobs" providing each week?

I don't know and neither do you. and an average tells you nothing. you need a distribution.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #47 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:31am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.

That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way. How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work?

That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work.

A fairer rendition would be:-

Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total.

Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total.

Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total.

Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total.

It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING. Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many.

don't get so uppity. that data is actually available I am sure. the ABS does a whol lot more than say '6.1% unemployment' and then go back to partying for a month. maybe you should enquire about it rather than whinge?

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #48 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

I heard on the radio:

90% of these new jobs are part time.

"The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... "

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24964040/surprise-job-spike-drops-unemployme...

must really suit your basic distrust of... everything.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #49 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:41am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

I heard on the radio:

90% of these new jobs are part time.

"The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... "

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/24964040/surprise-job-spike-drops-unemployme...

must really suit your basic distrust of... everything.

"The bureau of statistics admitted to concerns about the huge jump in part time work through August ... "

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #50 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:43am

I've NEVER been a great believer in this

"polling" of 1000 odd people method

to find the nations unemployed numbers

... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible, smooth calculation from one month to the next

The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an
Essential Research
poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a

"rogue poll"

I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics

Now, HERE'S a thought ...

Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of

Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments) plus the number of Newstart applications pending

THESE figures can't be FLAWED

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #52 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:21pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 11^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/24963842/number-of-aussies-with-job...

Quote:

The number of jobs added to the Australian economy has skyrocketed, marking the biggest gain in 23 years.

The total number of people with jobs rose a whopping 121,000 to 11.704 million in August, official figures on Thursday show.

The unemployment rate fell to 6.1 per cent in August from 6.4 per cent in July.

The figures far exceeded economists' expectations and suggested July's jobless rate was likely an aberration.

The unemployment rate was expected to fall to 6.3 per cent in August, with 10,000 jobs added to the economy, according to an AAP survey of 11 economists.

Must be the relief of finally getting rid of the toxic job killing carbon tax & mining taxes... Cool

11, 704,000 (6.1%) Employed in August.

6.1% multiplied by 16 = 97.6%

11,704,000 multiplied by 16 = 187,264,000 (workforce)

The total population of Australia in August was 23,593,129

This creates a problem in that the economists figures are total bullshit!

you are such a dunce. 6.1% is the UNEMPLOYED rate.

Typing correction. Unemployed.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #53 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:56am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

I've NEVER been a great believer in this

"polling" of 1000 odd people method

to find the nations unemployed numbers

... but at LEAST - up until NOW - there has been a credible, smooth calculation from one month to the next

The LATEST figures from the ABS have all the credibility of an
Essential Research
poll - or to paraphrase Longweekend58, a

"rogue poll"

I feel pretty confident in predicting an "adjustment" from the ABS in the next round of statistics

Now, HERE'S a thought ...

http://proverbs31jewels.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bright_Idea.jpg

Hows about, every month, the government release the EASILY COLLATED numbers of

Centrelink Newstart payments over a fort-night ( ... including PART payments) plus the number of Newstart applications pending

THESE figures can't be FLAWED

dole payments don't reflect the number of unemployed. if you lose your job and your spouse is working, you cannot claim the dole. you are still unemployed.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #54 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:07am

Increase in jobs?

More like an increase in Unemployment Agencies as 'the jobs', that are just processing the Unemployed and 'Casuals'.

Yes there will be a fluctuation of the Holiday/Summer season as heaps of 'Newbies' will fill in the temporary Holiday jobs along the coasts and other Tourism dependent regions, while most other Employments just 'close down' for the Holidays.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #55 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:26am

I have been looking over all the 'different' Population Growth examples on the Net.

The most I can make out, by averaging out I guess is that Australia had a great Population Growth back in 1970 with both Domestic Birth Rate and Immigration. Then everything just slowly declines with some minor ups.

There was a real 'downer' after the year 2000 during the 'noughties'.
During ALP/Gillard - the population jumped a bit, but this was mostly due to immigration above that of a good domestic birthrate as well.

Now things are suddenly on the slide downward again.

This must be the typical Liberal effect that they like women working 'for their budget (to pay for Military toys)' rather than having babies at home.

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #56 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:49am:

you know as well as everyone that 'employed' means having one hour of work per week or more.

That's the official cop-out on providing jobs that pay their way. How does one hour a week pay for the cost of bus fares to work?

That's not a job - it's slavery and imposition by a stupid government on those without the power to object, in that it enables that same government to punish any who refuse such nonsensical work.

A fairer rendition would be:-

Jobs offering 1-10 hours a week - xx% or yyy total.

Jobs offering 10-20 hours a week - aa% or bb total.

Jobs offering 20-30 hours a week - cc% or dd total.

Jobs offering 30-38 hours a week - ee% or ff total.

It's called HONESTY IN REPORTING. Not just some shotgun blast to cover the savage deficiencies in work opportunities and life opportunities for the many.

don't get so uppity. that data is actually available I am sure. the ABS does a whol lot more than say '6.1% unemployment' and then go back to partying for a month. maybe you should enquire about it rather than whinge?

Perhaps you could do it for me instead of adhominem-ing like a twerp... since you have all the answers.

Now ask yourself again why I rarely bother to answer you. I offer a solution - you call it whining. What part of the arse end of the Universe do you come from?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106888 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #57 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:42am I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about 2 million people unemployed.
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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #58 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 1:25pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:39am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

John Smith wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:04am:

oh look, longy the cheerleaders back

http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/male_cheerleader.jpg

so JS choose your position on this

1) the 6.4% of last month was wrong and it was actually 6.1% so all your criticisms were unjustified

- OR -

2) the Abbott govt has massively improved employment and the biggest drop in unemployment in 35 years.

they are your only two choices and both suck for you.

who says they are my only choices? you think the world revolves around what you say? I say the figures look dodgy and should be taken with a grain of salt ... you really think we've had more jobs created in the last 4 weeks than in the last 12 months combined? pull your head out longy and put those pom poms down

they ARE the only two choices available. they are either right or wrong.

only in your head .... i haven't made any comment about previous figures or future figures, my comment was on these figures ...

you can try and interpret them to mean whatever you like, but thats just more pom pom waving from the libs resident cheerleader

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Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott
Reply #59 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 2:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

I think that if you counted the true number of unemployed & added it to
those on the DSP who can't work - you'd get a figure of about

2 million people unemployed.

If the

Disability Support Pensioners

are now

"unemployed"

- why not add in those

"unemployed"

Aged Pensioners

, as well ?

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