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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Largest jobs growth for 23 years - Onya Abbott Reply #90 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:23pm St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:19pm: Those problems are exacerbated by monkey and Hokey, Sprint. If they decide to do away with the RET we will have 7% unemployment this month! Double digit unemployment by the time we kick these idiots out
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Reply #91 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN

and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie ....

looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

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Reply #92 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:34pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN

and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie ....

looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph Grin

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Reply #93 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

except that that black line is what A LIBERAL CHEERLEADER SEE'S , NOT A STATISTICIAN

and the real trend is somehwere in the middle of that line longie ....

looks like it's going up to me ... why do you pretend its going down?

clearly, you've never done curve/line fitting, but then again any kind of maths probably eludes you.

and yet you are the one struggling to read the graph Grin

IM not sure if it is your maths or English comprehension that is worst. I have NEVER said unemployment is going down. In fact, I have been saying repeatedly that it has been trending UP for the last almost 3 years at roughly the same rate.

if you are going to disagree with me at lease do so with something I actually SAID.

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Reply #95 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:43pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has.

I did actually and physics. but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS. now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago

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Reply #96 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

I would suggest, there are valid reasons for the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", particularly Government Statistics and that applies to the Left, Right & Centre, of Politics!

That said, the Employment stats of the last 2 months, are clearly not just incorrect, they are substantially incorrect!

We can only but HOPE that the system is realigned, so the figures start to show something a little closer to Reality?

A good example of how wrong Government Stats can be, is demonstrated in the following chart -

The above chart & other information is available at John
Williams Shadow Government Statistics, which is US based.
http://www.shadowstats.com/

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Reply #97 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:06pm

perceptions_now wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I would suggest, there are valid reasons for the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", particularly Government Statistics and that applies to the Left, Right & Centre, of Politics!

That said, the Employment stats of the last 2 months, are clearly not just incorrect, they are substantially incorrect!

We can only but HOPE that the system is realigned, so the figures start to show something a little closer to Reality?

A good example of how wrong Government Stats can be, is demonstrated in the following chart -
http://shadowstats.com/imgs/charts/alt-unemployment-mini.gif
The above chart & other information is available at John
Williams Shadow Government Statistics, which is US based.
http://www.shadowstats.com/

another Prozac_now post that is off topic and wearing a tinfoil-hat.

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Reply #98 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:09pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has.

I did actually and physics. but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS. now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago

Touch under 50 years ago.

Unemployment is accelerating. Be exponential soon, Longy and you will no doubt argue the exponential curve is approximately linear.

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Reply #99 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:13pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:09pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I have done maths to University level. Doubt MeLieLongTime has.

I did actually and physics. but it is hardly a difficulty to fit a straight line to this graph and see that it FITS. now if you wish to criticise my maths or the graph then please do so but don't wave around a crappy unverified claim of university maths you probably undertook 50 years ago

Touch under 50 years ago.

Unemployment is accelerating. Be exponential soon, Longy and you will no doubt argue the exponential curve is approximately linear.

Cheesy

you clearly either learned little or forget what you did. the graph I showed had unemployment growth at PRECISELY linear - a term you seem to have forgotten. and the likelihood is that the trend has in fact turned DOWNWARDS.

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Reply #100 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want.

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Yup, the trend has been accelerating

That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

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Reply #101 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want.

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Yup, the trend has been accelerating

That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

not a lot that you understand about graphs and statistics, is there? there has been a straight-line trend in upward unemployment for nearly 3 years - most of it under labor. you may not like it or even understand it, but it still remains true. and the only idiot that thinks the trend is accelerating is a person with either no skill or no intellectual honesty.

quite simply, you are just lying.

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Reply #102 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Normalise the whole chart and see what you get also cover the period that you originally specified and not just the part that gives the illusion you want.

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Yup, the trend has been accelerating

That I agree with but its not what you originally said. it clearly accelerated through the later part of 2013 and continued into 2014.

it is you that is after illusion. you want a chart that says labor kept unemployment low and it only increased under Abbott. not even your pitiful retelling of statistics can't manufacture that fantasy.

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Reply #103 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:40pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright.

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Reply #104 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 8:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:46pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:34pm:

Yup, the trend has been accelerating through the term of the shambles to date.

Not surprising—cut govt spending drastically at this time and increased unemployment is the result. Now they want to bring in foreign workers, including those who cannot speak or read English and pay them under award. Who thinks this is going to decrease unemployment?

We will be lucky for unemployment not to have a 7 in front of it by the end of the year.

Only Longy could publish a graph with the line going up & claim it was alright.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/labor-view.jpg

then feel free to draw what YOU think is the trend line.

this should be good...

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