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Question: Should Gina Reinhart pay more tax?

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Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes
Reply #15 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:57pm
 
George_Orhell wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
As usual leftard hate for anybody who is successful through hard work, either in their own business, at their career, in their professional life, or even in their personal life.

I smacking detest that mentality!


You don't support those who are successful through birth right or just dumb luck and you truly believe that people who are a success should not have to pay their share of taxes ?
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Reply #17 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:12pm
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
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Yes.

Within the body of the church [the community of believers], we are encouraged to share everything, with those in need.


QUESTION;
Is Australia today, a 'Christian nation' ?

Do Australians today, follow Christian tenets ?





"If it feels good, do it!"
    ....is the tenet that all Australians today, follow.

Isn't it ?



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #18 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:17pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
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Yes.

Within the body of the church [the community of believers], we are encouraged to share everything, with those in need.


QUESTION;
Is Australia today, a 'Christian nation' ?

Do Australians today, follow Christian tenets ?





"If it feels good, do it!"
    ....is the tenet that all Australians today, follow.

Isn't it ?





Another Aussie tenet was help the fellow man, but that's gone down the tube, not without reason of course. Too many people out there who take advantage and cannot be trusted, which leads people to serve the self, so to speak. It is like a plague of the mind, it festers and infects many at a fast rate.

I think a lot of these people, especially those in the political spectrum, just pretend to be Christians to give the common people an idea of a do-gooder. It's like a mask.
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Reply #19 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:17pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
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Yes.

Within the body of the church [the community of believers], we are encouraged to share everything, with those in need.


QUESTION;
Is Australia today, a 'Christian nation' ?

Do Australians today, follow Christian tenets ?





"If it feels good, do it!"
    ....is the tenet that all Australians today, follow.

Isn't it ?



Would you support a 100% tax, on pain of death, if we are?

Edit: Isn't you guys who say Au is a Christian nation?
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Reply #20 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:20pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
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Your obviously not a conservative politician.
Well, yes, I think you could say that Wink Smiley
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Reply #21 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:24pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
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Your obviously not a conservative politician.
Well, yes, I think you could say that Wink Smiley

I would say "Your[sic] obviously not a conservative politician." The more pay they vote themselves the further up the food chain they feel they are.
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Reply #22 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:33pm
 
Freedumb wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
Acts 5 Yadda



Yes.

Within the body of the church [the community of believers], we are encouraged to share everything, with those in need.


QUESTION;
Is Australia today, a 'Christian nation' ?

Do Australians today, follow Christian tenets ?





"If it feels good, do it!"
    ....is the tenet that all Australians today, follow.

Isn't it ?





Another Aussie tenet was help the fellow man, but that's gone down the tube, not without reason of course.

Too many people out there who take advantage and cannot be trusted,

which leads people to serve the self, so to speak. It is like a plague of the mind, it festers and infects many at a fast rate.

I think a lot of these people, especially those in the political spectrum, just pretend to be Christians to give the common people an idea of a do-gooder. It's like a mask.




I do donate to charities, when i feel that i can.

But i try to be very careful, who i donate to.

IMO, many large charities today seem to have a 'business model', where the charity itself, is a business [where the 'executive' pay themselves very well]!




I look for small struggling charities to support, for example, expat Aussies working to help the poor in 3rd world countries.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #23 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:37pm
 
Freedumb wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:49pm:
Not everyone in low to middle income, or even welfare, for that matter, is in the situation because they're too lazy to do something with their life. Sometimes they don't have a choice -- how would you feel if your well paying job was cut because someone above you decided, "I made 2 million dollars less than I did the year previously, therefore I need to cut some jobs."? (Example).
This puts you into a situation where you will run out of money very quickly, especially if you are paying off a loan or credit card.
If we're talking about despising mentalities here, the "You're not rich therefore you are a lazy/stupid welfare leech with an entitlement complex" is also a disgusting assumption. I'm not saying there aren't people out there who are like that, because there definitely is.
This is the same attitude as "all muslims are terrorists" or "all catholics are pedophiles."
Sorry, this has nothing to do with the topic but I just thought I'd put this out there. Carry on.


Well actually Freedumb I think much of what you say is very much on point, esp the bit I have highlighted.  I think for too many years now those on the right have worked very hard to talk up how valuable they are and demean the vital contribution that the rest of us make because of course it's a way of justifying their claims for a higher proportion of the wealth we all generate.  Its a bit like the wheels of a car saying if it wasn't for us you wouldn't have a car, which of course downplays the vital importance of the other components of a car.  We need to stop letting them get away with demeaning us and our worth and understanding that if it wasn't for us they couldn't possibly achieve even 1/1000th of the level of wealth they enjoy and they need to give something back instead of increasing the level of tension in society because they believe that they are entitled to even more.  Make no mistake, the age of entitlement started with them. 
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Reply #24 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:44pm
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:12pm:
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
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Yes.

Within the body of the church [the community of believers], we are encouraged to share everything, with those in need.


QUESTION;
Is Australia today, a 'Christian nation' ?

Do Australians today, follow Christian tenets ?





"If it feels good, do it!"
    ....is the tenet that all Australians today, follow.

Isn't it ?



Would you support a 100% tax, on pain of death, if we are?

Edit: Isn't you guys who say Au is a Christian nation?
Yes I think I've heard them say that when its suited them in another context. BTW I think Jesus would have been disgusted at this guy thinking he was a christian.
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Reply #25 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:01pm
 
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:24pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
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The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes


Your obviously not a conservative politician.
Well, yes, I think you could say that Wink Smiley

I would say "Your[sic] obviously not a conservative politician." The more pay they vote themselves the further up the food chain they feel they are.

Yes, I couldn't quibble with that either and isn't that one of the great advantages of where we sit even though we can't vote ourselves more pay.  We can say what we mean. Almost makes one feel further up the food chain don't you think
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Reply #26 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:06pm
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:33pm:
I do donate to charities, when i feel that i can.



Not good enough dude! Remember the story of the old woman with a near worthless coin in the bible?

God demands you pay whether it's comfortable or not. Want me to drag out the quotes like you do? The above is one and acts 5 is another, if you want more...
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Reply #27 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:07pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:24pm:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:16pm:
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The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes


Your obviously not a conservative politician.
Well, yes, I think you could say that Wink Smiley

I would say "Your[sic] obviously not a conservative politician." The more pay they vote themselves the further up the food chain they feel they are.

Yes, I couldn't quibble with that either and isn't that one of the great advantages of where we sit even though we can't vote ourselves more pay.  We can say what we mean. Almost makes one feel further up the food chain don't you think


Ethically at least.
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Reply #28 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:13pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

BTW I think Jesus would have been disgusted at this guy thinking he was a christian.




I would have to be very like Jesus, to be a Christian.

I am sure, that i am not like Jesus.

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Reply #29 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 11:18pm
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
When I was a boy growing up in the 60s there was a logic that most people accepted that's simply not discussed anymore and I can't help feeling that its because the politicians and their greedy string pullers have worked industriously to take it off the discussion list.  The logic went like this:-

The wealthier you are the more tax you should pay (esp if your wealth is inherited) because (i) you receive a far greater benefit from the society that makes your wealth possible and applying the basic principles of user pays, you owe more; (ii) The sacrifices that the wealthy few make to protect and serve the community from which they get their wealth is infinitesimal compared to the sacrifices made on a daily basis by the vastly more numerous majority in the community; and (iii) the wealthy have far more to lose then the rest of us if society collapsed. 

I say this logic was commonly discussed when I was a boy but in truth its been around for millennia and seems only to have disappeared from the popular discourse in the last 30 years or so.  I think its time it started to be openly discussed again.      



The rich company owners already pay super high taxes at the expense of the workers & customers.

An average business pays about 40 direct & indirect taxes.
It's all money that can't go into the workers pockets & keeps them poor.

Look at a few:

payroll tax
superannuation tax
land tax
rates
GST
company tax
Fuel tax
car rego
stamp duty on insurance


the list goes on & on - only tax accountants know all of them.

A company is just a cash cow for the government.


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