Australian Politics Forum - Time The Rich Paid Their Huge Debt To Society

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Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes
Reply #30 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:20pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 10:44pm:

BTW I think Jesus would have been disgusted at this guy thinking he was a christian.

I would have to be very like Jesus, to be a Christian.

I am sure, that i am not like Jesus.

No you wouldn't, you could be a scum mass murdering, raping, pillaging scum and if you accepted Jesus as your saviour and "genuinely repented" as best your nature could do, after all we are all sinners, you would be a fine Christian, meeting all of it's tenets.

Are you like Jesus, well I'll let you decide. Believe me though, there is a lot of leeway about what you do as long as you accept him. Lucky believers, the rest of us have to take personal responsibility.

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Reply #31 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 5:44pm:

When I was a boy growing up in the 60s there was a logic that most people accepted that's simply not discussed anymore and I can't help feeling that its because the politicians and their greedy string pullers have worked industriously to take it off the discussion list. The logic went like this:-

The wealthier you are the more tax you should pay (esp if your wealth is inherited) because (i) you receive a far greater benefit from the society that makes your wealth possible and applying the basic principles of user pays, you owe more; (ii) The sacrifices that the wealthy few make to protect and serve the community from which they get their wealth is infinitesimal compared to the sacrifices made on a daily basis by the vastly more numerous majority in the community; and (iii) the wealthy have far more to lose then the rest of us if society collapsed.

I say this logic was commonly discussed when I was a boy but in truth its been around for millennia and seems only to have disappeared from the popular discourse in the last 30 years or so. I think its time it started to be openly discussed again.

The rich company owners already pay super high taxes at the expense of the workers & customers.

An average business pays about 40 direct & indirect taxes.
It's all money that can't go into the workers pockets & keeps them poor.

Look at a few:

payroll tax
superannuation tax
land tax
rates
GST
company tax
Fuel tax
car rego
stamp duty on insurance

the list goes on & on - only tax accountants know all of them.

A company is just a cash cow for the government.

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Reply #32 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:25pm

I only steal from the 'Bad' rich.

...did I ever tell you guys that my mate Matt and I snuck into the Lodge (when living at Kirribilli) after the 3am Police Car round, snuck past the sleeping civi guards - while Paul Keating was in power? Huh

...by coincidence, the Daily Telegraph had a photo of the sleeping guards upon its front page a few days later

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105974 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes Reply #33 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:27pm Gina Winefart should pay a lot more.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16617 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes Reply #34 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:33pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:27pm: Gina Winefart should pay a lot more. Brineheart perhaps?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105974 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes Reply #35 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:36pm Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:27pm: Gina Winefart should pay a lot more. Brineheart perhaps? This one: or here:
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Reply #36 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Gina Winefart should pay a lot more.

Brineheart perhaps?

This one:

http://uknowispeaksense.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/rinehart.jpg

or here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4092748-3x2-940x627.jpg

Ah, OK, same beastie. So many heads!

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Reply #37 - Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:50pm

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

[quote author=cods link=1410507855/1#1 date=1410508846]

you sound as if you resent anyone that had frugal parents who invested their money wisely..

[/quote

Just a typical lefty, 'everyone owes me mentality'.

They just whinge and whinge, doing frig all for themselves, like little chldren demanding more cake.

Friggen pathetic

I have an 'owes me' mentality - revery second rate flea-brain who came up with some magic solution to society's problems that involved ripping me off of anything owes me big time. I've earned my way times many.... time to pay the piper.

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Re: The Rich Owe Us And Should Pay Their Taxes
Reply #38 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 6:48am

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 11:27pm:

Gina Winefart should pay a lot more.

Brineheart perhaps?

This one:

http://uknowispeaksense.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/rinehart.jpg

or here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4092748-3x2-940x627.jpg

Ah, OK, same beastie. So many heads!

An ugly creature:

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Reply #39 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:19am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

cods wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

do you own your own home? your own car.. do you have superannuation..? do you have money in the bank...lovely if you have any of those..

we had not one of those when I was growing up..my mum and dad didnt leave me a thing..nup not even a brass farthing as the old saying went..but I will certainly be leaving my kids my home and car and any money that might be left in the bank..a bit more than I ever got... I worked for it. along with my husband we went without to pay for every day things
didnt occur to us to say how about the so called RICH paying more so I can pay less...today more people own their own homes than ever before...are they rich????????.. should they be penalised because they put their money into their homes and not down the pub....I dont know any more....in my mums day no one owned their own homes it was unheard of...

you sound as if you resent anyone that had frugal parents who invested their money wisely..

OK, is there any chance that if we have this discussion you might do away with the hysterical rant and exaggerated accusations about me wanting to "penalising you for putting money in your home" and how "I must hate frugal parents" and deal with the points that were actually made in the OP.

You know of course that at the moment we have a progressive taxation system precisely because the belief has been up till now that those who have done better out of the social arrangements should be prepared to put that little bit more back in. Are you opposed to that completely or not completely and if so why. Having said that there are many in much higher economic brackets then us who pay less and sometimes not even any tax at all. Does that trouble you or not and if so why. Now as I say you can go off hysterically and avoid a rational discussion or we could actually teach each other about why we believe the different things we believe.

that is drivel. do you care to explain how any earner avoids paying tax?

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Reply #40 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:20am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

For those of you interested in discussing this rationally, you might be interested to know that even the multi multi billionair Warren Buffett argues for a progressive taxation system on the grounds that prosperous Americans owe part of their success to other citizens. Have a listen to what he has to say in an interview on CNN Money

what on earth are you complaining about??? we already have a strongly progressive taxation system. so what is your complaint?

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Reply #41 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:21am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

As usual leftard hate for anybody who is successful through hard work, either in their own business, at their career, in their professional life, or even in their personal life.

I smacking detest that mentality!

You don't support those who are successful through birth right or just dumb luck and you truly believe that people who are a success should not have to pay their share of taxes ?

It's only unsuccessful people like you who show that mentality. What gives you the right to say they don't "pay their share of taxes". I would imagine if you lived twenty lifetimes you wouldn't pay as much tax as some successful people pay.

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Reply #42 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:25am

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

As usual leftard hate for anybody who is successful through hard work, either in their own business, at their career, in their professional life, or even in their personal life.

I smacking detest that mentality!

You don't support those who are successful through birth right or just dumb luck and you truly believe that people who are a success should not have to pay their share of taxes ?

It's only unsuccessful people like you who show that mentality. What gives you the right to say they don't "pay their share of taxes". I would imagine if you lived twenty lifetimes you wouldn't pay as much tax as some successful people pay.

the vast majority of people pay their taxes without complaint. there are very few opportunities for people to minimise tax and even then, not by very much. the higher earners pay a much larger amount in taxes. So I really don't get what the problem is here. Ive not seen anyone on here promote flat tax rates. high income earners do however get sick of being abused when they are already pay 20-50 times as much tax as a minimum wage earner AND gets no govt beneifts.

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Reply #43 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:28am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

As usual leftard hate for anybody who is successful through hard work, either in their own business, at their career, in their professional life, or even in their personal life.

I smacking detest that mentality!

You don't support those who are successful through birth right or just dumb luck and you truly believe that people who are a success should not have to pay their share of taxes ?

It's only unsuccessful people like you who show that mentality. What gives you the right to say they don't "pay their share of taxes". I would imagine if you lived twenty lifetimes you wouldn't pay as much tax as some successful people pay.

the vast majority of people pay their taxes without complaint. there are very few opportunities for people to minimise tax and even then, not by very much. the higher earners pay a much larger amount in taxes. So I really don't get what the problem is here. Ive not seen anyone on here promote flat tax rates. high income earners do however get sick of being abused when they are already pay 20-50 times as much tax as a minimum wage earner AND gets no govt beneifts.

Longweekend gets a boner for Gina Winefart.

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Reply #44 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:35am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Sep 12^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

As usual leftard hate for anybody who is successful through hard work, either in their own business, at their career, in their professional life, or even in their personal life.

I smacking detest that mentality!

You don't support those who are successful through birth right or just dumb luck and you truly believe that people who are a success should not have to pay their share of taxes ?

It's only unsuccessful people like you who show that mentality. What gives you the right to say they don't "pay their share of taxes". I would imagine if you lived twenty lifetimes you wouldn't pay as much tax as some successful people pay.

the vast majority of people pay their taxes without complaint. there are very few opportunities for people to minimise tax and even then, not by very much. the higher earners pay a much larger amount in taxes. So I really don't get what the problem is here. Ive not seen anyone on here promote flat tax rates. high income earners do however get sick of being abused when they are already pay 20-50 times as much tax as a minimum wage earner AND gets no govt beneifts.

Longweekend gets a boner for Gina Winefart.

it would be nice to actually reply to my post instead of this drivel. and I think we can safely say that NO ONE get s boner for Gina. She makes Christine Milne look sexy and we aren't even really sure she is female!

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