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Reply #90 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:01am
 
Dear Spartacus,

thank you for providing the evidence that BigOl wanted.
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Reply #91 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:02am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:55am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:42am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:33am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:11am:
Sir Bobby,
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Banks rip off customers with high interest rates & fees -
& pay themselves high salaries at our expense.
Mining companies rape the land & the profits mostly go overseas.

The Chinese pay 0.25% interest on a mortgage - we pay 6.5%.
Most mining shares are held by overseas investors.
These are just facts.
Longweekend is in a state of denial.


And you would be more than happy to provide the evidence to validate these 'facts'?

Remember your biased opinion is not a 'fact'.

Ohterwise you may leave yourself open to a highly warranted b1tch slapping  Grin Grin



BigOl is another denier of reality.

forgiven

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Post  the supporting evidence and Ill be more than happy to become a non-denier.

It can't be too hard to show where these chinese investors are getting 2.5% loans from aussie banks or where most of the major share holders of aour mining companies are foreigners and not Australian super funds.

I want to beleive you, but until you provide the evidence it is impossible to do so.


I can provide you with the following regarding Bobby's claims about the banks. No doubt you will find some excuse for why its all BS too;

THE SHAREHOLDER STEPHEN MAYNE (who I think you will know of)

Ever since federal and state governments privatised various public sector banks in the 1990s, Australians have increasingly suffered the world's most expensive banking system.

Skyrocketing transaction fees, the compulsory superannuation gravy train and a near quadrupling of residential mortgages to almost $1 trillion have helped create a profit bonanza for Australian banks like nowhere else in the world.

The big four have gone from a combined market capitalisation of below $30 billion in 1992 to almost $300 billion today, even after the global financial crisis.
Anyone running a government-licensed business can clearly afford to pay a bit more tax when you consider these latest annual pre-tax profits: Commonwealth Bank: $8.94 billion; Westpac: $8 billion; ANZ: $6.6 billion; NAB: $6.5 billion.

With combined pre-tax earnings of $30.1 billion, it is no surprise that our big four banks are so highly valued by the sharemarket.

Most modern economies have a couple of banks in their top 10 companies, although the US has none in its top five.

In Australia, banks represent four of the top five behind BHP Billiton, which is now the world's third most valuable company.

But BHP is making profits from genuinely global operations driven by exports. The bigfour banks just gouge long-suffering Australian consumers and businesses. They might dominate the New Zealand banking market but that is the extent of their global success.
Banking is a highly regulated utility business. If the water, gas, electricity or telco industries were pocketing $30 billion annually, consumers would be up in arms.

There are two obvious solutions to this situation. First, competition and regulatory intervention could drive down prices and profit margins for bank consumers. That hasn't worked too well in the past, so why not embrace the second option: a banking super profits tax?

If a Conservative British prime minister can happily embrace a bank tax to help fix his budget deficit, then why not the same in Australia?

Who would need a flood levy if bank shareholders were asked to pay another $2 billion to $3 billion a year through a super profits tax?

The British government is expecting to raise an extra £2.6 billion a year from a
permanent levy on bank assets that was confirmed only last month.

Big bank bosses would no doubt complain, but when you are earning $8 million a year, you can afford to give a bit back.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/should-banks-pay-a-super-profits-tax-20110305-1bih1.html#ixzz3DF772500





Any chance you could highlight the bit where the banks are lending to the chinese at 0.25 % I can't seem to find it or where it says the the major share holders of Australian mining companies are foreigners

You know since you went to all the trouble of providing the evidence that booby is stating a 'fact'




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Re: Time The Rich Paid Their Huge Debt To Society
Reply #92 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:01am:
Dear Spartacus,

thank you for providing the evidence that BigOl wanted.




Hang on he still has to find it so don't wet yourself with excitement yet.  Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #93 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:22am
 
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ANZ’s Singapore unit is currently advertising a standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent. By contrast, ANZ Australia’s standard variable interest rate currently sits at 5.88 per cent.

This interest rate differential looks likely to continue,
with the Singaporean Central bank setting the cash rate in June at 0.21 per cent, compared with Australia’s target of 2.5 per cent. At the same time, the Singapore dollar and Australian dollar have traditionally traded in a relatively tight range, minimising currency risk.

With Australian banks targeting foreign investors, a federal parliamentary inquiry this week raised questions about the checks they are conducting on overseas buyers.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/singaporean-investors-hungry-for-a-piece-of-the-australian-housing-market-20140725-zsvj9.html#ixzz3DFFBXIAZ

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Reply #94 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:22am:
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ANZ’s Singapore unit is currently advertising a standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent. By contrast, ANZ Australia’s standard variable interest rate currently sits at 5.88 per cent.

This interest rate differential looks likely to continue,
with the Singaporean Central bank setting the cash rate in June at 0.21 per cent, compared with Australia’s target of 2.5 per cent. At the same time, the Singapore dollar and Australian dollar have traditionally traded in a relatively tight range, minimising currency risk.

With Australian banks targeting foreign investors, a federal parliamentary inquiry this week raised questions about the checks they are conducting on overseas buyers.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/property/singaporean-investors-hungry-for-a-piece-of-the-australian-housing-market-20140725-zsvj9.html#ixzz3DFFBXIAZ




You do realise that is NOT the morgate rate, but the cash rate. Ill assume your ignorance is boundless and explain the difference for you.


The Cash rate is  is the term used in Australia and New Zealand for the bank rate and is the rate of interest which the central bank charges on overnight loans to commercial banks.

The Mortgage rate is the rate at which banks lend to mortgagees (people) to purchase property.


So unless these chinese investors you are talking about are commercial banks, you are not even close to proving your 'fact'.


You know sometime ( most of the time) you should just either not post or walk away when you get caught in a lie, it would be a lot less embarrassing for you.


Here is what you claimed, and what I asked you to prove


Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:11am:
The Chinese pay 0.25% interest on a mortgage - we pay 6.5%.

Most mining shares are held by overseas investors.

These are just facts.

Longweekend is in a state of denial.



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Reply #95 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am
 
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standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent



Still a lot lower than our 6.5 %.

You are forgiven

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Reply #96 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:54pm:
For those of you interested in discussing this rationally, you might be interested to know that even the multi multi billionair Warren Buffett argues for a progressive taxation system on the grounds that prosperous Americans owe part of their success to other citizens. Have a listen to what he has to say in an interview on CNN Money




So how much lower is the top income tax rate in the USA compared to Australia, do well off Australians pay far more tax than those in the USA?

What do the low income tax rates in the USA have to do with high income tax rates in Australia?


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Reply #97 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:53am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am:
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standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent



Still a lot lower than our 6.5 %.

You are forgiven

namaste



Ours is not 6.5% but 5.88% and theirs is NOT 0.25% as you stated as a "fact".

So you are totally wrong on that point


What about foreigners owning most of the shares in our mining companies, want to have a go at that or just concede defeat now?

Frig it doesn't take too much effort to do some basic research.



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Reply #98 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:57am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:02am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:55am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:42am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:33am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 9:11am:
Sir Bobby,
Quote:
Banks rip off customers with high interest rates & fees -
& pay themselves high salaries at our expense.
Mining companies rape the land & the profits mostly go overseas.

The Chinese pay 0.25% interest on a mortgage - we pay 6.5%.
Most mining shares are held by overseas investors.
These are just facts.
Longweekend is in a state of denial.


And you would be more than happy to provide the evidence to validate these 'facts'?

Remember your biased opinion is not a 'fact'.

Ohterwise you may leave yourself open to a highly warranted b1tch slapping  Grin Grin



BigOl is another denier of reality.

forgiven

namaste


Post  the supporting evidence and Ill be more than happy to become a non-denier.

It can't be too hard to show where these chinese investors are getting 2.5% loans from aussie banks or where most of the major share holders of aour mining companies are foreigners and not Australian super funds.

I want to beleive you, but until you provide the evidence it is impossible to do so.


I can provide you with the following regarding Bobby's claims about the banks. No doubt you will find some excuse for why its all BS too;

THE SHAREHOLDER STEPHEN MAYNE (who I think you will know of)

Ever since federal and state governments privatised various public sector banks in the 1990s, Australians have increasingly suffered the world's most expensive banking system.

Skyrocketing transaction fees, the compulsory superannuation gravy train and a near quadrupling of residential mortgages to almost $1 trillion have helped create a profit bonanza for Australian banks like nowhere else in the world.

The big four have gone from a combined market capitalisation of below $30 billion in 1992 to almost $300 billion today, even after the global financial crisis.
Anyone running a government-licensed business can clearly afford to pay a bit more tax when you consider these latest annual pre-tax profits: Commonwealth Bank: $8.94 billion; Westpac: $8 billion; ANZ: $6.6 billion; NAB: $6.5 billion.

With combined pre-tax earnings of $30.1 billion, it is no surprise that our big four banks are so highly valued by the sharemarket.

Most modern economies have a couple of banks in their top 10 companies, although the US has none in its top five.

In Australia, banks represent four of the top five behind BHP Billiton, which is now the world's third most valuable company.

But BHP is making profits from genuinely global operations driven by exports. The bigfour banks just gouge long-suffering Australian consumers and businesses. They might dominate the New Zealand banking market but that is the extent of their global success.
Banking is a highly regulated utility business. If the water, gas, electricity or telco industries were pocketing $30 billion annually, consumers would be up in arms.

There are two obvious solutions to this situation. First, competition and regulatory intervention could drive down prices and profit margins for bank consumers. That hasn't worked too well in the past, so why not embrace the second option: a banking super profits tax?

If a Conservative British prime minister can happily embrace a bank tax to help fix his budget deficit, then why not the same in Australia?

Who would need a flood levy if bank shareholders were asked to pay another $2 billion to $3 billion a year through a super profits tax?

The British government is expecting to raise an extra £2.6 billion a year from a
permanent levy on bank assets that was confirmed only last month.

Big bank bosses would no doubt complain, but when you are earning $8 million a year, you can afford to give a bit back.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/should-banks-pay-a-super-profits-tax-20110305-1bih1.html#ixzz3DF772500





Any chance you could highlight the bit where the banks are lending to the chinese at 0.25 % I can't seem to find it or where it says the the major share holders of Australian mining companies are foreigners

You know since you went to all the trouble of providing the evidence that booby is stating a 'fact'


Perhaps you might also want me to research the correct times one should use a semicolon as opposed to a full stop or a comma. I think you know the answer to your questions. But go on playing the denial game if you wish, I dont think it convinces anyone genuinely interested in the truth of the matter.   
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Reply #99 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:00am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:54pm:
For those of you interested in discussing this rationally, you might be interested to know that even the multi multi billionair Warren Buffett argues for a progressive taxation system on the grounds that prosperous Americans owe part of their success to other citizens. Have a listen to what he has to say in an interview on CNN Money




So how much lower is the top income tax rate in the USA compared to Australia, do well off Australians pay far more tax than those in the USA?

What do the low income tax rates in the USA have to do with high income tax rates in Australia?


This thread is about the justifications for taxing the rich more. Read the OP , it will help really.
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Reply #100 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:05am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:57am:
Perhaps you might also want me to research the correct times one should use a semicolon as opposed to a full stop or a comma. I think you know the answer to your questions. But go on playing the denial game if you wish, I dont think it convinces anyone genuinely interested in the truth of the matter.   



Maybe you should not have posted in support of booby's post about the 'facts'. But rest assured that I do know the answers which is why I haven't posted any cretinous 'facts' in this matter.


If you want to become the supreme grammar nazi of the board, feel free to research away, but remember everyone else will hold you to the same standard.


As for the truth that is all I asked booby and you to provide, both of you were found wanting.


Next time read what that genius has written before leaping in head first


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Reply #101 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:11am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:53am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am:
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standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent



Still a lot lower than our 6.5 %.

You are forgiven

namaste



Ours is not 6.5% but 5.88% and theirs is NOT 0.25% as you stated as a "fact".

So you are totally wrong on that point


What about foreigners owning most of the shares in our mining companies, want to have a go at that or just concede defeat now?

Frig it doesn't take too much effort to do some basic research.





Maybe I got mixed up with the cash rate & the interest rate.

the underlying fact is true:

The Chinese are able to buy our houses at a much reduced rate.


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Reply #102 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:16am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:00am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 9:54pm:
For those of you interested in discussing this rationally, you might be interested to know that even the multi multi billionair Warren Buffett argues for a progressive taxation system on the grounds that prosperous Americans owe part of their success to other citizens. Have a listen to what he has to say in an interview on CNN Money




So how much lower is the top income tax rate in the USA compared to Australia, do well off Australians pay far more tax than those in the USA?

What do the low income tax rates in the USA have to do with high income tax rates in Australia?


This thread is about the justifications for taxing the rich more. Read the OP , it will help really.


So why are you using low tax rates in the USA to claim rich aussies should pay more tax?

So how much more tax should they pay?
https://www.ato.gov.au/rates/individual-income-tax-rates/

I will be voting Liberal Democrats as their policy will reduce income tax.
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Reply #103 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:29am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:11am:
BigOl64 wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:53am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:41am:
Quote:
standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent



Still a lot lower than our 6.5 %.

You are forgiven

namaste



Ours is not 6.5% but 5.88% and theirs is NOT 0.25% as you stated as a "fact".

So you are totally wrong on that point


What about foreigners owning most of the shares in our mining companies, want to have a go at that or just concede defeat now?

Frig it doesn't take too much effort to do some basic research.





Maybe I got mixed up with the cash rate & the interest rate.

the underlying fact is true:

The Chinese are able to buy our houses at a much reduced rate.


standard variable interest rate of 1.17 per cent




If the chinese banks allow chinese investors to take out a loans for property in a foreign country where  they they have zero jurisdiction or legal recognition, then those banks are idiots, and more than likely only exist in your head.

If those foreign bank issue mortgages to chinese to buy houses in china for a lesser rate then so the f...k what?

It is aforeign country, nothing to do with us.

Stop trying to compare apples with besser blocks



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Reply #104 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:39am
 
cods wrote on Sep 12th, 2014 at 6:00pm:
do you own your own home? your own car.. do you have superannuation..? do you have money in the bank...lovely if you have any of those..

we had not one of those when I was growing up..my mum and dad didnt leave me a thing..nup not even a brass farthing as the old saying went..but I will certainly be leaving my kids my home and car and any money that might be left in the bank..a bit more than I ever got... I worked for it. along with my husband we went without to pay for every day things
didnt occur to us to say how about the so called RICH paying more so I can pay less...today more people own their own homes than ever before...are they rich????????.. should they be penalised because they put their money into their homes and not down the pub....I dont know any more....in my mums day no one owned their own homes it was unheard of...

you sound as if you resent anyone that had frugal parents who invested their money wisely..



Blatant lie. Total rubbish. The exact opposite: Less people than ever before own their own home.
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