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What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:20am

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison not telling truth on asylum seeker arrivals

4th Feb 2014

There has been an 80 per cent reduction. However, the reduction really began under the former
Rudd Labor Government
- with the so called
"New Guinea Solution"

On November 29 Mr Morrison said: "In the previous government after the announcement of the regional resettlement arrangement an average of 461 people not including crew were turning up on just over six boats every week. Since the commencement of Operation Sovereign Borders this has fallen by more than 80 per cent to just 78 people illegally arriving per week on less than two boats not including crew."

Mr Morrison and other Liberal MPs have been repeating these figures over the past few weeks, saying the reduction is the result "of our efforts under Operation Sovereign Borders".

Labor, however, disagrees. On the ABC's Q&A program on November 25, Opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen repeatedly said Mr Morrison's figures were "just not right". When ABC Fact Check asked for the basis of his comments, a spokesman for Mr Bowen said the comparison period the Coalition was using was "disingenuous".

"Labor had only announced the PNG arrangement on 19 July and from experience, there is always a lag in terms of policy measures having an effect," the spokesman said.

"If you look at the two weeks prior to the election, a month or so after the PNG arrangement had been announced and was being implemented, there was clearly an effect being experienced."

( ... refer back to above graph)

What the numbers show

Fact Check has collated data on asylum seeker boat arrivals from July 19, when former prime minister Kevin Rudd announced his regional resettlement arrangement with Papua New Guinea, to November 29, when Mr Morrison made his claim.

The crux of Mr Rudd's announcement was that no more asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat would be settled in Australia

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asyl....

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #1 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???.. how come we dont give the former govt the CREDIT for that as well. credit where its due..
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #2 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:29am poor diddums Buzzard.... Abbott stopped the boats. Rudd both started the boats AND failed to stop them,
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #3 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... Cheesy

of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT
that the

Rudd Government

ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #4 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:35am I WAS JUST GIVING KRUDD CREDIT FOR STARTING THE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE.. CREDIT WHERE ITS DUE .. AFTER ALL..
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #5 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:37am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... Cheesy

of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT
that the

Rudd Government

ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

they improved it from dreadful all the way up to poor. congrats. that's about as good as a labor policy gets. badly implemented, years late and lets not forget the 1000 deaths. you would be best advised to concentrate on labors actual successes rather than trying to salvage something from the literal wrecks that Labor created with this policy

it would also be nice to see you look at ALL graphs and understand them - eg unemployment (on the ris for 3 years) and temperature (static for 17 years).

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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #6 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:29am:

poor diddums Buzzard.... Abbott stopped the boats. Rudd both started the boats AND failed to stop them,

You refused to look at the graph - showing boat arrival numbers - and just WHERE they plummeted, long before "operation McHale's navy" ?

It's not just climate change you have an aversion to FACTS

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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #7 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... Cheesy

of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT
that the

Rudd Government

ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

they improved it from dreadful all the way up to poor. congrats. that's about as good as a labor policy gets. badly implemented, years late and lets not forget the 1000 deaths. you would be best advised to concentrate on labors actual successes rather than trying to salvage something from the literal wrecks that Labor created with this policy

it would also be nice to see you look at ALL graphs and understand them - eg unemployment (on the ris for 3 years) and temperature (static for 17 years).

Forget about "off topic" history and OTHER DIVERSIONS

Are you denying the

"New Guinea solution"

"stopped the boats" - as the numbers confirm . or NOT ?

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:51am Poll added Let's know HOW you voted and based on what information
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:51am Well done Kev.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #10 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am Quote: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? A better question would be "What friggin started them?"
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #11 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:14am

Nothing - they were merely diverted.

Not enough options... lock in C, Eddie.. "Not Enough Options"..

"Final answer?"

"Yes.. C! Lock it in!'

"Locked in! What made you go for C? You went for A, then D, then B.. and ended up with C."

"Just a guess."

"Well - what's the answer? We'll let you know after the ad break."

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #12 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am Swagman wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am: Quote: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? A better question would be "What friggin started them?" Feel free to start you OWN thread on that question It is NOT the question on THIS one ( ... so PLEASE, TRY and stay "on topic" )
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #13 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:23am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Swagman wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am:

Quote:

What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?

A better question would be

"What friggin started them?"

Feel free to start you OWN thread on that question

It is NOT the question on THIS one

( ... so PLEASE, TRY and stay
"on topic"
)

.......sorry didhams wouldn't want to introduce some rational argument into your propaganda

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #14 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 10:42am What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:51am: Poll added Let's know HOW you voted - and based on what information
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Poll
Question: What delivered the BIGGEST drop in boats ?
The New Guinea Solution 5 (71.4%) Operation Sovereign Borders 2 (28.6%) Total votes: 7 « Last Modified by: buzzanddidj on: Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:53am »