Australian Politics Forum - What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?

brumbie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 994 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #15 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?" Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 12:03pm brumbie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am: When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?" Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them Bit like the pyro bush firery that starts bush fires so he can put them out and get the kudos....
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #17 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

brumbie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?"

Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them

Grin

As a

Greens 1st

,

Labor 2nd

supporter - I have never supported the inhumane treatment of refugees, or the

cost ineffective

"offshore solutions"

... but that is NOT the issue, HERE

... which is

What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?*

* ... The
LibNat's
"Operation Sovereign Borders" - as Abbott and Morrison claim - or
Labor's
"New Guinea Solution" ?

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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #18 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:21pm

Swagman wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 12:03pm:

brumbie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

When Labor were in power the lefties were on here saying "Why should we stop the boats?"

Now they are trying to take credit for stopping them

Grin

Bit like the pyro bush firery that starts bush fires so he can put them out and get the kudos....

I can take THAT - as the

New Guinea Solution

"stopped the boats", REGARDLESS ?

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #19 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:12pm Liberals stopped the boats. Labor did a tiny bit of effort near the end of their term solely for votes. but since they started the problem they get zero kudos for a half-hearted barely effective job os slowing it a bit. the boats stopped under Abbotts govt with an actual policy to stop them.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #20 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.
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Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:23am:

of course it did!!!!!!!!!!... Cheesy

of course they didnt let the floodgates down in the first place though did they???..

You COULD say that ( ... if you wanted to go "off topic") - but it is a STATISTICAL FACT
that the

Rudd Government

ALSO were responsible for turning the trend AROUND

For what? Finally waking up and realising he stuffed up? For finally realising that the only solution was to adopt the exact same policy the Coalition had advocated since 2007 and the exact same policy Howard put into place? For that, we can thank Mr Howard and Mr Abbott for providing the ideas to Mr Rudd. Better late than never, eh Kevvy?

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26420 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #22 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm: This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity. Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.
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Reply #23 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:26am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.

Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.

I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity.

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Reply #24 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:44am

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.

Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.

I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity.

you should be talking about them losing their lives. but you aren't.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #25 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:08am I have talked about that, and how the Malaysian Solution would have stopped that. Now I am commenting about how the AS issue is causing many in Aust to lose their humanity.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #26 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:18am Neo cons talk about saving lives and yet they are happy to send desperate refugees to one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in our region..Cambodia. Lets face it...the whole "saving lives" thing is just crap.
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jockohomo3d Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 187 Gender:	Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ? Reply #27 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 9:45am These to bleeding hearts need to be sent to the corner with all the other children.
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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #28 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 8:44am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 14^th, 2014 at 6:15am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

This stupid boats issue is causing too many to lose their humanity.

Yes, too true. It is much more humane that they die at sea or smashed against rocks like rag dolls.

I am not talking about the asylum seekers losing their humanity.

you should be talking about them losing their lives. but you aren't.

The lack of an effective processing offshore without detention is the problem.. or even an onshore processing facility that works without the concentration camp mentality intruding.

I bring you the GAIA... offer them some carrots instead of some stick...

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Re: What REALLY "stopped the boats" ?
Reply #29 - Sep 14^th, 2014 at 11:46am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:20am:

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison not telling truth on asylum seeker arrivals

4th Feb 2014

There has been an 80 per cent reduction. However, the reduction really began under the former
Rudd Labor Government
- with the so called
"New Guinea Solution"

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5144104/data/asylum-seekers-arrived-by-b...

On November 29 Mr Morrison said: "In the previous government after the announcement of the regional resettlement arrangement an average of 461 people not including crew were turning up on just over six boats every week. Since the commencement of Operation Sovereign Borders this has fallen by more than 80 per cent to just 78 people illegally arriving per week on less than two boats not including crew."

Mr Morrison and other Liberal MPs have been repeating these figures over the past few weeks, saying the reduction is the result "of our efforts under Operation Sovereign Borders".

Labor, however, disagrees. On the ABC's Q&A program on November 25, Opposition treasury spokesman Chris Bowen repeatedly said Mr Morrison's figures were "just not right". When ABC Fact Check asked for the basis of his comments, a spokesman for Mr Bowen said the comparison period the Coalition was using was "disingenuous".

"Labor had only announced the PNG arrangement on 19 July and from experience, there is always a lag in terms of policy measures having an effect," the spokesman said.

"If you look at the two weeks prior to the election, a month or so after the PNG arrangement had been announced and was being implemented, there was clearly an effect being experienced."

( ... refer back to above graph)

What the numbers show

Fact Check has collated data on asylum seeker boat arrivals from July 19, when former prime minister Kevin Rudd announced his regional resettlement arrangement with Papua New Guinea, to November 29, when Mr Morrison made his claim.

The crux of Mr Rudd's announcement was that no more asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat would be settled in Australia

More ...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asyl....

Rudd's PNG non-solution was all about sending only single males to PNG, and families were still being sent here.
And yes, the statistics do support a slow down of illegal boat arrivals at the time however nothing like the Coalition achieved soon after OSB was implemented.
And once again, Rudd's policy was destined to fail and if allowed to continue would have been a dud rubber.
The electorate was right in handing Labor it's worst defeat in 100 years and throwing the bums out.

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Poll
Question: What delivered the BIGGEST drop in boats ?
The New Guinea Solution 5 (71.4%) Operation Sovereign Borders 2 (28.6%) Total votes: 7 « Last Modified by: buzzanddidj on: Sep 13^th, 2014 at 9:53am »