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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Where are the apologists? Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:02pm Hamas admits it DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' to launch rocket attacks on Israel - but claims it was 'mistake' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-...
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Re: Where are the apologists?
Reply #1 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:16pm

Firstly, they did not admit to using human shields as the Daily Fail alleged. They admitted to firing from residential areas but insisted they took measures to keep civilians away.

Secondly, everyone knew they fired from residential areas, thats just common sense - they'd last about 2 seconds operating out in the farms. Residential terrain provides the only viable cover

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Where are the apologists? Reply #2 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:21pm Why did you move the topic here?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Where are the apologists? Reply #3 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:23pm Because thats where all the hamas threads are.
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Reply #4 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Firstly, they did not admit to using human shields as the Daily Fail alleged. They admitted to firing from residential areas but insisted they took measures to keep civilians away.

Secondly, everyone knew they fired from residential areas, thats just common sense - they'd last about 2 seconds operating out in the farms.

Residential terrain provides the only viable cover

"the only viable cover" ???

But gandalf, tell us,

why do these Holy Warriors of Allah need 'cover' ?

I thought that these Holy Warriors of Allah, were willing to sacrifice all, including their own lives, in their holy war against their evil Zionist foe ?

Am i mistaken ???

gandalf,

Aren't these Holy Warriors of Allah willing to die for Allah [in the way that they always claim, at their street/political rallies] ?

e.g.
Please watch this YT and watch the crowd, as they respond to calls for them to die for Allah's cause!!!!...

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

Instead, these Holy Warriors of Allah, choose to fire their rockets from among residential buildings.

So that they, the ones who have launched rockets, can initially remain indistinguishable from local residents,
and then in all of the confusion, they can run away quickly - with their tails between their legs.

How brave of them!

IMAGE.....

Gaza devastation - mother, you, the residents of Gaza have to make the sacrifice, so that we, the Holy Warriors of Allah, can take the fight to our evil Zionist foe.

Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!! Allah Akbar!!!!

How noble and brave of the Holy Warriors of Allah! Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #5 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Firstly, they did not admit to using human shields as the Daily Fail alleged. They admitted to firing from residential areas but insisted they took measures to keep civilians away.

Secondly, everyone knew they fired from residential areas, thats just common sense - they'd last about 2 seconds operating out in the farms. Residential terrain provides the only viable cover

Well, looks like the bvggers wanted to be hit. They shouldn't complain. They got exactly what they wanted: they love death more than they love their children (as they say themselves).

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Where are the apologists? Reply #6 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:19pm Good point guys - it makes perfect sense for a militant group trying to inflict (at least some) damage to their enemy - to position themselves to ensure they will inflict no damage at all.
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Reply #7 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Good point guys - it makes perfect sense for a militant group trying to inflict (at least some) damage to their enemy - to position themselves to ensure they will inflict no damage at all. Tongue

A militant group - and 'the vast majority of peaceful Muslims' who elected them.

Btw, have you seen the balance sheet of damage inflicted? Did you or games expect it is to be different when they started it? No. Yet they went ahead and kept at it.

Death cult is correct.

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Reply #8 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:40pm

Adamant wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

Hamas admits it DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' to launch rocket attacks on Israel - but claims it was 'mistake'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-...

Adamant, would you care to point out in that article Hamas said any such thing? I can't find it, except in the headline. I wouldn't want to think you or the Daily Mail were lying... Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Good point guys - it makes perfect sense for a militant group trying to inflict (at least some) damage to their enemy - to position themselves to ensure they will inflict no damage at all. Tongue

A militant group - and 'the vast majority of peaceful Muslims' who elected them.

Mmm, Hama is in government where? The Gaza Strip. Somehow I can't see the "vast majority of peaceful Muslims" fitting into a tiny piece of land only 360 km², Soren. Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Good point guys - it makes perfect sense for a militant group trying to inflict (at least some) damage to their enemy - to position themselves to ensure they will inflict no damage at all. Tongue

A militant group - and 'the vast majority of peaceful Muslims' who elected them.

Mmm, Hama is in government where? The Gaza Strip. Somehow I can't see the "vast majority of peaceful Muslims" fitting into a tiny piece of land only 360 km², Soren. Roll Eyes

However many Muslims there are in Gaza, the vast majority must be peaceful, no? Yet given a chance to show their true peacefulness, they elected terrorists.

But seriously - who, other than death cultists would behave like the Muslims of Gaza?
As for Israel's response - which country would have responded differently to a barrage of rockets? None. Self-defence is the only rational response.

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Where are the apologists? Reply #11 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:14pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:23pm: Because thats where all the hamas threads are. So they are not muslims then, followers of islam?
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Reply #12 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 3:19pm:

Good point guys - it makes perfect sense for a militant group trying to inflict (at least some) damage to their enemy - to position themselves to ensure they will inflict no damage at all. Tongue

A militant group - and 'the vast majority of peaceful Muslims' who elected them.

Mmm, Hama is in government where? The Gaza Strip. Somehow I can't see the "vast majority of peaceful Muslims" fitting into a tiny piece of land only 360 km², Soren. Roll Eyes

However many Muslims there are in Gaza, the vast majority must be peaceful, no? Yet given a chance to show their true peacefulness, they elected terrorists.

You assume that the distribution of peacful moderates is uniform, Soren. Why?

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But seriously - who, other than death cultists would behave like the Muslims of Gaza?

I can think of several alternative explanations. Get back to me when you want to hear them. I won't bother posting them now 'cause I know your mind is already closed, Soren. Roll Eyes

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As for Israel's response - which country would have responded differently to a barrage of rockets? None. Self-defence is the only rational response.

The response was like that of the United States to 11 September - heavily manufactured. Perhaps if Netanyahu was a honest player in the Middle-East Peace process things might have been different. As I've said before, both Hamas and the Israeli Government get what they want out of the Israeli response to the Hamas rockets.

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Re: Where are the apologists?
Reply #13 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Firstly, they did not admit to using human shields as the Daily Fail alleged. They admitted to firing from residential areas but insisted they took measures to keep civilians away.

Secondly, everyone knew they fired from residential areas, thats just common sense - they'd last about 2 seconds operating out in the farms. Residential terrain provides the only viable cover

isnt it the same thing... but your saying its up to everyone else to kn ow that HAMAS would have made sure no resident was in residence...when they sent over a rocket....

you expect us to believe that..... Cheesy

so just because over a 1000 people are dead...

it had not a thing to do with HAMAS keeping the weaponry in the residential areas...WOW..

where do the HAMAS people who make these decisions live??

couldnt they have swapped homes with the residents.. just to show good faith? Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

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As for Israel's response - which country would have responded differently to a barrage of rockets? None. Self-defence is the only rational response.

The response was like that of the United States to 11 September - heavily manufactured. Perhaps if Netanyahu was a honest player in the Middle-East Peace process things might have been different. As I've said before, both Hamas and the Israeli Government get what they want out of the Israeli response to the Hamas rockets.

How do you justify hamas starting the rockets?

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