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Here is a list of the most important of those laws, from Sharia for Dummies:
• Jihad defined as “ to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion” is the duty of every Muslim.
•A Caliph can hold office through seizure of power, meaning through force.
•A Caliph is exempt from being charged with serious crimes such as murder, adultery, robbery, theft, drinking, and in some cases of rape.
•A percentage of Zakat (alms) must go towards jihad.
•It is obligatory to obey the commands of the Caliph, even if he is unjust.
•A Muslim who leaves Islam must be killed immediately.
•A Muslim will be forgiven for murder of (1) an apostate;  (2) an adulterer;  (3) a highway robber.
•A Muslim will not get the death penalty if he kills a non-Muslim.
•Sharia dictates death by stoning, beheading, amputation of limbs, flogging and other forms of cruel and unusual punishments even for crimes of sin such as adultery.
•Non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims and must comply to Sharia if they are to remain safe. They are forbidden to marry Muslim women, publicly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures or openly celebrate their religious holidays or funerals. They are forbidden from building new churches or building them higher than mosques. They may not enter a mosque without permission.
•It is a crime for a non-Muslim to sell weapons to someone who will use them against Muslims. Non-Muslims cannot curse a Muslim, say anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam, or expose the weak points of Muslims.
•A non-Muslim cannot inherit from a Muslim.
•Banks must be Sharia-compliant, with interest not allowed.
•No testimony in court is acceptable from people of low-level jobs. Women in such low-level jobs cannot keep custody of their children in case of divorce.
•A non-Muslim cannot rule over a non-Muslim minority.
•Homosexuality is punishable by death.
•There is no age limit for marriage of girls under Sharia. The marriage contract can take place anytime after birth and consummated at age 8 or 9.
•Rebelliousness on the part of the wife nullifies the husband’s obligation to support her.
•Divorce is only in the hands of the husband, and is easy as saying “I divorce you.”
•There is no common property between husband and wife, and the husband’s property does not automatically go to the wife after his death.
•A woman inherits half of what a man inherits.
•A man has the right to have up to four wives,  a wife has no right to divorce him even if he is polygamous.
•The dowry is given in exchange for the woman’s sexual organs.
•The testimony of a woman in court is half the value of a man.
•A woman loses custody if she remarries.
•To prove rape, a woman must have four male witnesses.
•A Muslim woman must cover every inch of her body, which is considered Awrah — a sexual organ. Some schools of Sharia allow the face to be exposed, others don’t.
•A Muslim man is forgiven if he kills his wife caught in the act of adultery.


http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/09/muslims-muslims-believe/
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Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:15am
 
What do the 'vast majority' do NOT accept from the list of Islamic doctrines?

Brain, Paki Bvgger, Gandy et all, please explain.
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong rather renders the rest of the list pointless, don't you think Taipan?

You do realise also that admitting to using a "Dummy's" source rather proves what everybody already believes about you?   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am:
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong rather renders the rest of the list pointless, don't you think Taipan?

You do realise also that admitting to using a "Dummy's" source rather proves what everybody already believes about you?   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin



It's a thread started by Taipan: it was always going to be pointless (and aimed at the usual Dummies - Soren, et al.).

Poor old Taipan needs to come out from under his bed and start living in the real world.

Living one's entire life in irrational fear is no life at all.


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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:33am
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am:
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong.......


We all know you are a totally clueless Islamic apologist who is wrong about most things relating to Islam, you put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.

You should read the Book Of Jihad by the Islamic scholar Ibn Nuhaas,was Ibn Nuhaas wrong,why do all muslims say this is the best book on jihad?

https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfJihadByIbnNuhass

When it comes to Islam i will believe what Islamic scholars have written over the lies from Islamic apologists.

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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:25am:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am:
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong rather renders the rest of the list pointless, don't you think Taipan?

You do realise also that admitting to using a "Dummy's" source rather proves what everybody already believes about you?   Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin



It's a thread started by Taipan: it was always going to be pointless (and aimed at the usual Dummies - Soren, et al.).

Poor old Taipan needs to come out from under his bed and start living in the real world.

Living one's entire life in irrational fear is no life at all.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/man-hiding-under-bed.jpg


greggerypeccary,

What is 'irrational' about fearing the REAL INTENT of moslem violence against us, as has been expressed by moslems who live in our suburbs, and walk in our main street ?





greggerypeccary,

THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS, AND WHAT ISLAM PROMOTES IN THE WORLD     [i.e. WHEREVER MOSLEMS ARE FOUND];


IMAGE...
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Sydney, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, religious bigots, 'demonstrating', just how 'peaceful' and tolerant ISLAM and moslems really are -  towards those who don't hold with the views of ISIS of ISLAM and moslems.

Moslems on a Sydney street, openly demanding their right to exercise their 'freedom of religion',
.....the 'religious' right to kill people who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.




greggerypeccary,

Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary,
Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



I don't live in irrational fear.

You do.

Guess who has the better life   Wink


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Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:48am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary,
Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



I don't live in irrational fear.

You do.

Guess who has the better life   Wink





greggerypeccary,

Tell me, what does this phrase mean ?

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"






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"Do not speak about ISLAM's wrongdoing!!!"

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:33am:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am:
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong.......


We all know you are a totally clueless Islamic apologist who is wrong about most things relating to Islam, you put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.

You should read the Book Of Jihad by the Islamic scholar Ibn Nuhaas,was Ibn Nuhaas wrong,why do all muslims say this is the best book on jihad?

https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfJihadByIbnNuhass

When it comes to Islam i will believe what Islamic scholars have written over the lies from Islamic apologists.



No, you're clueless one.  Taipan's post and now your's assumes there is only one definition of "Jihad".  There are actually several.   "In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle" or "resisting"."

That does not necessarily have to be a physical struggle, which is the exclusive definition that you're using.  Most Islamic scholars accept that it can also mean a personal religious struggle.  The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran, often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)"

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Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Within the context of the classical Islamic law, it refers to struggle against those who do not believe in the Islamic God (Allah) and do not acknowledge the submission to Muslims,[6] and so is often translated as "Holy War",[7][8][9] although this term is controversial.[10] According to the Dictionary of Islam[3] and Islamic historian Bernard Lewis, in the large majority of cases jihad has a military meaning.[11] Javed Ghamidi states that there is consensus amongst Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[12]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad]

So, claiming that it exclusively refers to armed struggle against "infidels" is wrong.

As always, you show us the depth of your bigotry Baron.  You search for and always find the worst possible light in which to portray Muslims and Islam.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:53am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary,
Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



I don't live in irrational fear.

You do.

Guess who has the better life   Wink





greggerypeccary,

Tell me, what does this phrase mean ?

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"



"Do not speak about ISLAM's wrongdoing!!!"




It means that you have decided to use obfuscation in a bid to divert attention away from the fact that you live your life in irrational fear, while I do not.


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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary,
Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



I don't live in irrational fear.

You do.

Guess who has the better life   Wink


Can I join your club, Gregg?  I don't live in irrational fear of Muslims.  I am not an Islamophobe.  Can we call it, the "Islamophobe, phobic's club"?  IPC for short.   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #11 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:10am
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:52am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:33am:
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:18am:
The definition of "Jihad" is wrong I believe.  Getting one of the most basic tenants of Islam wrong.......


We all know you are a totally clueless Islamic apologist who is wrong about most things relating to Islam, you put respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.

You should read the Book Of Jihad by the Islamic scholar Ibn Nuhaas,was Ibn Nuhaas wrong,why do all muslims say this is the best book on jihad?

https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfJihadByIbnNuhass

When it comes to Islam i will believe what Islamic scholars have written over the lies from Islamic apologists.



No, you're clueless one.  Taipan's post and now your's assumes there is only one definition of "Jihad".  There are actually several.   "In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle" or "resisting"."

That does not necessarily have to be a physical struggle, which is the exclusive definition that you're using.  Most Islamic scholars accept that it can also mean a personal religious struggle.  The word jihad appears frequently in the Quran, often in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)"

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Muslims and scholars do not all agree on its definition. Within the context of the classical Islamic law, it refers to struggle against those who do not believe in the Islamic God (Allah) and do not acknowledge the submission to Muslims,[6] and so is often translated as "Holy War",[7][8][9] although this term is controversial.[10] According to the Dictionary of Islam[3] and Islamic historian Bernard Lewis, in the large majority of cases jihad has a military meaning.[11] Javed Ghamidi states that there is consensus amongst Islamic scholars that the concept of jihad will always include armed struggle against wrong doers.[12]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad]

So, claiming that it exclusively refers to armed struggle against "infidels" is wrong.

As always, you show us the depth of your bigotry Baron.  You search for and always find the worst possible light in which to portray Muslims and Islam.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


You are the clueless one who uses wiki instead of Islamic sources when it comes to Islam.

Jihad is not always against the infidels,a muslim who is not following Islam correctly is called a munafiq (hypocrite), allah the most merciful of those who show mercy approves of jihad against the hypocrites.
islamqa.info/en/42534

I wonder what the Oldest Islamic website on the internet says about Jihad-
islamqa.info/en/search?key=jihad

The Ahmadi muslims have dropped the obligation for Jihad and believe in separation of mosque and state, the Ahmadi cannot call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan they can be jailed for outraging the religious beliefs of a muslim in Pakistan.

Apologists like you ignore that bad stuff from muslims,your moral bankruptcy puts respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.
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Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:10am:
You are the clueless one who uses wiki instead of Islamic sources when it comes to Islam.


Attacking the source is pretty silly.  It shows it knows what its talking about by referencing other works Baron.  Islamic sources included.

So, how about you refute what it says?

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Jihad is not always against the infidels,a muslim who is not following Islam correctly is called a munafiq (hypocrite), allah the most merciful of those who show mercy approves of jihad against the hypocrites.
islamqa.info/en/42534

I wonder what the Oldest Islamic website on the internet says about Jihad-
islamqa.info/en/search?key=jihad

The Ahmadi muslims have dropped the obligation for Jihad and believe in separation of mosque and state, the Ahmadi cannot call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan they can be jailed for outraging the religious beliefs of a muslim in Pakistan.

Apologists like you ignore that bad stuff from muslims,your moral bankruptcy puts respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.


Whereas you only seek out the bad stuff because you have a preconceived notion in your noggin to satisfy your Islamophobic bigotry.  None of the things you just quoted negate the points the Wikipedia article said.   Sometimes it better to go to a general article which provides a broad overview of a topic than it is to seek out specific examples.  It allows you to understand the concept, rather than just focus on examples.   Having an open mind also helps.  However, we know in your case that isn't possible.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #13 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:31am
 
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Yadda wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary,
Accusing other people of being 'irrational' because you are too stupid, to recognise what is true, and to recognise the truth about what ISLAM is, just demonstrates the extent of your own irrational state of mind.



I don't live in irrational fear.

You do.

Guess who has the better life   Wink





greggerypeccary,

Tell me, what does this phrase mean ?

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king"






IMAGE....
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"Do not speak about ISLAM's wrongdoing!!!"



If the people in the land are blind, how can they see or know that the king has one eye?

Who taught you that,your priest?
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:40am
 
|dev|null wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:20am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:10am:
You are the clueless one who uses wiki instead of Islamic sources when it comes to Islam.


Attacking the source is pretty silly.  It shows it knows what its talking about by referencing other works Baron.  Islamic sources included.

So, how about you refute what it says?

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Jihad is not always against the infidels,a muslim who is not following Islam correctly is called a munafiq (hypocrite), allah the most merciful of those who show mercy approves of jihad against the hypocrites.
islamqa.info/en/42534

I wonder what the Oldest Islamic website on the internet says about Jihad-
islamqa.info/en/search?key=jihad

The Ahmadi muslims have dropped the obligation for Jihad and believe in separation of mosque and state, the Ahmadi cannot call themselves muslims where they originated from in Pakistan they can be jailed for outraging the religious beliefs of a muslim in Pakistan.

Apologists like you ignore that bad stuff from muslims,your moral bankruptcy puts respect for ancient beliefs before respect for humanity.


Whereas you only seek out the bad stuff because you have a preconceived notion in your noggin to satisfy your Islamophobic bigotry.  None of the things you just quoted negate the points the Wikipedia article said.   Sometimes it better to go to a general article which provides a broad overview of a topic than it is to seek out specific examples.  It allows you to understand the concept, rather than just focus on examples.   Having an open mind also helps.  However, we know in your case that isn't possible.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin


If you like wiki try this list of expeditions led by Muhammad, take note of the first expedition which was highway robbery to relieve the muslims from poverty, they cite Islamic sources.
I would be an ex muslim who did this page-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

13 muslim countries have the death penalty for the crime of becoming an atheist,is this the Islam you are so keen to defend?
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210
Do you believe the people who live in those countries that have the death penalty for becoming an atheist are Islamophobic bigots?

Of course the morally bankrupt like you hurl slurs at critics of this belief that executes people for thought crimes.

Of course if it was christians behaving like muslims apologists like you would be squealing like a stuck pig.
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